Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Cowboys Are Frequently, Secretly Fond of Each Other/archive3

The following is an archived discussion of a featured article nomination. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the article's talk page or in Wikipedia talk:Featured article candidates. No further edits should be made to this page.

The article was not promoted 20:26, 7 May 2007.

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Cowboys Are Frequently, Secretly Fond of Each Other

previous FAC 1 and 2

All objections to previous nomination addressed. Hyacinth 04:07, 24 April 2007 (UTC)

• Comment The article should mention B-sides, chart positions in other countries and should discuss the music itself (chord structure, time signature, tempo etc.). What's here is well writen, but it feels like an FA that someone has deleted several sections of at random (why is there no image of the original release's cover?). Laïka 18:59, 24 April 2007 (UTC)

There is no image of the original release because that image is nowhere on the internet nor is the original song (album: Life is a Killer) in print.

There is no B-side on Nelson's single because it was released through iTunes, where songs are bought individually. There is no B-side to Sublette's because it wasn't a single.

For what other countries should chart positions be listed, if there are any on which it charted?

The music "itself" is very briefly discussed, being described as having "lilting West Texas waltz feel". Since sources are not available on the other information you request anything I wrote may be original research (these not being common knowledge). Hyacinth 21:57, 24 April 2007 (UTC)

Alright. I just have one further question: what do the asterisks mean in the reference section; they don't seem to have anything to do with the name of the author or anything else... Laïka 11:50, 25 April 2007 (UTC)

• Oppose—1a. Article has a few issues with the prose and a few other problems. Examples from the top:
  • Is the comma before the first quote really necessary? It makes the flow awkward.
  • Looking at the lead and the first section, there seems to be an overreliance on quotes. Please try to paraphrase some of these.
  • "Nelson received a tape of the song from Saturday Night Live Band bassist Tony Garnier after performing on the show[6] in the mid to late 1980s and according to the latter, "Willie took it from there"[4] though Nelson recently found that demo in a drawer among a stack of his own while recording unreleased songs for iTunes." This sentence, especially with the overuse of the quotes, is a snake that should be chopped into 2+ sentences.
• I can't really continue to comment on the prose as a whole, because of the overreliance of quotes. Please change some of those quotes into original wording, and then enlist the help of a couple copy-editors to tweak the article. Sourcing looks solid, and the topic is quite interesting. — Deckiller 13:34, 25 April 2007 (UTC)

The comma was added per Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Cowboys Are Frequently, Secretly Fond of Each Other/archive2.

What is the FAC criteria on quotes? Hyacinth 05:32, 27 April 2007 (UTC)

Please see the section on Quotations in WP:MOS.--Dwaipayan (talk) 09:24, 27 April 2007 (UTC)

• Strong oppose No offense, Hyacinth, but are you serious? Very little has been done to this article since the last nomination ended six months ago (mostly, the addition of an image and a lot of minor edits), and my biggest objections last time- that there are not enough sources, and there is not enough variety in the sources used, and that the "reliable source" used in the first sentence is from a five-word All Music Guide synopsis- have not even been touched, must less adequately addressed. -- Kicking222 16:42, 7 May 2007 (UTC)

Objections met:

• missing comma ("...musician Ned Sublette[,] whose music...") added
• Parenthesis ("(a reference to western wear and leather subculture)") removed
• parenthetical phrase referring to Willie Nelson releasing the song on iTunes incorporated
• Catalog numbers on songs removed
• All songs given record labels
• Rick & Andy removed
• Boondocks strip link fixed or removed
• More information about versions other than Nelson's added
• Comparison cleaned up and strengthened

Objections not yet met:

• Number of sources
• Wider variety of sources
• Info on Sublette's release (Did it sell any copies, or get any reaction from the country music scene, or make any sort of impact)

Other:

• The reason the article is mostly about the Nelson version is that that is the most notable of recordings

There are three objections left, all related (call it 1 1/2 objections). Hyacinth 21:24, 7 May 2007 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the article's talk page or in Wikipedia talk:Featured article candidates. No further edits should be made to this page.