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The following is an archived discussion of a featured article nomination. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the article's talk page or in Wikipedia talk:Featured article candidates. No further edits should be made to this page.

The article was promoted by Ian Rose via FACBot (talk) 07:02, 12 November 2016 [1].

Hands Across Hawthorne

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Nominator(s): --Another Believer (Talk) 22:23, 11 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

This article is about a protest in Portland, Oregon, in reaction to an assault against a gay couple. Shortly after its June 2011 creation, the article was reviewed by User:Finetooth (see this talk page discussion) and User:Wasted Time R (see the good article review). In addition, it received two reviews by members of the Guild of Copy Editors (User:GeneralizationsAreBad and User:Twofingered Typist) in June 2016 and a peer review from User:Pax85 earlier this month. This article is shorter than most FAs, but I've seen others that are even shorter. I figured I would be bold and see if this article can be promoted to FA status. --Another Believer (Talk) 22:23, 11 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Images are appropriately licensed. Nikkimaria (talk) 03:14, 13 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Support on prose per my standard disclaimer. These are my edits. As always, feel free to revert my copyediting. I hope this passes FAC; I'd like to see it on the Main Page. - Dank (push to talk) 21:12, 26 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you. I am fine with your edits. Much appreciated. ---Another Believer (Talk) 21:17, 26 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: It's a pity that this article hasn't attracted a bit more reviewer atttention, but perhaps I can get some discussion going:

An unusual article, thanks for working on it. Brianboulton (talk) 23:23, 24 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for taking time to review this article. I am happy to continue responding to your comments and concerns. ---Another Believer (Talk) 17:51, 25 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]
My pleasure. I can't promise to revisit, but I'll keep watching it and chip in further if/when I can. Hopefully. others will, tooBrianboulton (talk) 17:51, 27 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]
@Brianboulton: Thanks for replying. I believe I've addressed your concerns. If that earns your support, I'd appreciate a follow-up. If you prefer not to support, thanks for offering feedback and helping to improve this article. ---Another Believer (Talk) 19:34, 27 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Taking another look today. Brianboulton (talk) 08:54, 2 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Here are my additional comments. I've also done some minor ce:

Hate crimes in Portland
  • Are the 50 hate crimes reported in 2010 comparable to the 15 bias crime assaults reporyed for 2009? If so, that's a more than three-fold increase, and readers should be alerted.
    • Again, we should decide if "bias crime" and "hate crime" are synonymous, and whether we want to go with the specific wording used in sources, or generalize. I lend towards the former, but I am open to the latter if you prefer. ---Another Believer (Talk) 15:08, 3 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • "In May of that year..." → "In May 2010..."
  • "Not all hate crimes were prevented for the remainder of the year, however;" This has not been suggested or implied in the preceding text. I suggest you amend to: "Hate crimes continued in the city; in November 2010..." etc, and begin the following sentence "However, according to..."
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Rally
  • In the first line you refer to "the rally", without defining what this was. I think you need to say at this point who decided to hold a rally, and roughly what form it was intended to take. Later you call it an "event" and mention the hand-holding part, but you need to bring some of this information forward.
  • "This campaign..." what "campaign" are you referring to here?
  • I am not very happy with a 180-word verbatim extract from Forkner's speech. Since the wording is taken from a recent newspaper article there is a possible copyright issue; this may be considered too long to be a brief extract for which fair use would be applicable. It would be better to paraphrase the main elements of Forkner's speech in your own words and augment this with a one or two of the more striking quotes from the speech

Looking promising now. Brianboulton (talk) 21:16, 2 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Support: My concerns have been addressed, and subject to a sources review I will be happy to see this promoted. Brianboulton (talk) 10:26, 4 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]

@Brianboulton: Thank you so, so much for your time and assistance. ---Another Believer (Talk) 14:54, 4 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Comments from Aoba47

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@Another Believer: Great work with the article. It was a very informative read, and it makes me want to read more about different rallies. I am still pretty new to Wikipedia so take my comments with a grain of salt, but I just wanted to point out some things I noticed during my initial read-through. Aoba47 (talk) 00:59, 29 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Coord notes

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  • I think we still need a source review for formatting/reliability.
  • Also, since it's seems to have been a few years since Another Believer's last successful FAC, I'd like to see a spotcheck of sources for accurate use and avoidance of close paraphrasing.

You can request these at the top of WT:FAC. Cheers, Ian Rose (talk) 15:18, 15 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]

@Ian Rose: OK, thanks for the suggestion. I added a request here (I hope this is what you meant). ---Another Believer (Talk) 17:35, 15 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Source review and spot check

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a-coming up..using this revision in case ref numbers change.Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 13:54, 1 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Is there any way we can use internet archive now? Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 14:28, 1 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

@Casliber: I archived the links you mentioned. Please let me know if you have any other concerns, comments, or questions. Thank you for taking time to review this article. ---Another Believer (Talk) 15:13, 1 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Support from Laser brain

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Everything looks good here. It is a well-written account of the event, and it maintains a properly encyclopedic tone. My only complaint is that I'm not sure I see the value in File:Hands Across Hawthorne 2.jpg. You already have a shot of the bridge, another of the crowd, and one of a speaker. This one doesn't seem to add much to reader comprehension. --Laser brain (talk) 01:55, 10 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for your support. In my opinion, this image best illustrates the crowd when actually spanning the bridge. The lead image is from a far distance, and the latter crowd image shows the rally in an adjacent field following the bridge protest. I'll remove the image if required to pass FAC, but otherwise I'd prefer to leave. ---Another Believer (Talk) 02:04, 10 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Nope, just my opinion and I'm definitely not holding back my support. Thanks for your explanation! --Laser brain (talk) 02:09, 10 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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