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The article was promoted by SandyGeorgia (Talk) 21:05, 8 May 2010 (UTC) diff.[reply]

Keith Miller in the 1946–47 Australian cricket season

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Keith Miller in the 1946–47 Australian cricket season (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)

Nominator(s): YellowMonkey (vote in the Southern Stars and White Ferns supermodel photo poll) 03:33, 14 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

In this season, Keith Miller gained attention for a series of hard-hitting innings for Victoria, and he was also one the leading batsmen and bowlers in the Tests. It has been copyedited by Ling.Nut and Brianboulton is kindly doing another pass. YellowMonkey (vote in the Southern Stars and White Ferns supermodel photo poll) 03:33, 14 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Done thanks YellowMonkey (vote in the Southern Stars and White Ferns supermodel photo poll) 06:11, 16 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
All images are fine. --Redtigerxyz Talk 06:57, 16 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Comment — I don't feel that the opening sentence introduces the article very well. If the reader did not know who Miller is, they would want a brief description. Even if it's only a few words.

  • "On his Ashes debut in the First Test in Brisbane, Miller scored 79 in his only innings before taking match bowling figures of 9 wickets for 77 runs (9/77) in an overwhelming Australian victory at the Gabba ground." Very snakey sentence that needs breaking down. "Gabba ground" sounds horrible but I guess there's no other way, unless you use Brisbane Cricket Ground. What was the ground commonly known as then?

Hope to be able to have a look at this article when I have the time. Aaroncrick TALK 11:03, 19 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Done YellowMonkey (vote in the Southern Stars and White Ferns supermodel photo poll) 04:20, 20 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Comments:

  • Early Season: I feel this starts a little abruptly without any context. While I realise the article is about one season, could a short paragraph sum up his career to that point? For example, a summary of the previous season(s).
  • Related to this, the media obviously took an interest in him. What were media and public expectations of him at this stage of his career? Was he a superstar yet with high expectations?
  • Excellent summary of his season up until the Tests.

More to follow in the next few days. Seems a very good article. --Sarastro1 (talk) 21:29, 25 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

  • Early Season: At the end of the second paragraph, the footnotes are not in numerical order (4), (5), (3).
  • Could you explain what an Australian XI is? For the non-cricketer, it may not be clear what kind of a team this was - i.e. not the full Test side.
  • Is there any information about how Miller did bowling against Bradman?
No. He bowled 11 overs, and some were against the opener and a later guy 60 runs after Bradman was out. I guess nothing much happended YellowMonkey (vote in the Southern Stars and White Ferns supermodel photo poll) 06:40, 27 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • "Take first innings points..." Could be explained for non-cricketer.
  • First Test: "the biggest hit at the ground at the time": Is it "at" the ground or "on" the ground.
  • "Miller cut down the English top-order ... third wicket in as many balls." This sounds laboured. Not sure about "cut down" but it's ok. The next sentence ("Miller had removed...") runs away a bit in a list of who got out. Also not clear in the second sentence who got out first, Ikin or Compton, as it mentions Ikin first then goes back. Maybe something like "Miller removed Edrich, Washbrook, Compton and Jack Ikin on the fourth morning to leave England on 5/56. Compton and Ikin were out to consecutive balls but Norman Yardley prevented Miller from taking a third wicket in as many balls to take a hat-trick."
  • "The pitch, still rain-affected, saw England reduced to defeat by an innings" Reduced seems to be the wrong word. Why not just "defeated by an innings."

More later. --Sarastro1 (talk) 21:34, 26 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Did the rest YellowMonkey (vote in the Southern Stars and White Ferns supermodel photo poll) 06:40, 27 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Second Test: "In the hosts' reply, Miller contributed 40 with seven fours in a 63-run stand with Barnes as Australia reached 4/159,[36][37][38] before Bradman—who had dropped himself down the order—and Barnes both scored 234 and put together a world record fifth-wicket partnership of 405 to propel Australia to 8/659 declared." Long run-on sentence, probably needs splitting.
  • "After starting the over one three..." Presumably this should be "on three"? Maybe better to say "with his score on three" as it may get confusing with all the numbers in this sentence and the next.
  • "He then lifted the sixth ball over square leg, was dropped by the bowler on the seventh ball and then drove the last ball into the crowd at long on." Too many thens?
  • Third Test: "and he put on an average performance in a drawn match." What do you mean by "average"? Seems a little woolly. Maybe "unremarkable" or "quiet" would be better. And do you put on a performance in a cricket match? Possibly better to say "produced" than "put on".
  • "He scored 33 before being caught behind by Godfrey Evans from the bowling of Wright as Australia stumbled and lost three wickets in four runs to be 6/192, before recovering to reach 365 in the first innings." Another run-on sentence.
  • Does "Miller also ran out Compton, but England held on for a draw with three wickets intact" really need five refs?
  • Link "opening" and "follow on"? And the phrase about light workload is repeated from earlier. It stands out a bit to me.
  • "Miller made another famed innings in the return Sheffield Shield match". Famed does not work. Famous? (Poor Toshack really suffered in that season!)
  • Can a contract be "recanted"?
  • The manager of North Sydney? I know it's linked, but unless I've missed something, it is not explained here what North Sydney is, and the sentence would make more sense if it was mentioned briefly. How did Rawtenstall react to this?
They didn't know. I specified private. YellowMonkey (vote in the Southern Stars and White Ferns supermodel photo poll) 06:37, 28 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Fourth Test: How do we know Miller's state of mind? No ref except Statsguru.
  • Ref for extreme heat? Or am I just being really pedantic?
these two, I moved the book ref up from the end and reiterated YellowMonkey (vote in the Southern Stars and White Ferns supermodel photo poll) 06:37, 28 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • "Open up": jargon? Also, "tail fell apart"?
  • Fifth Test: Should it be "each" innings, rather than "either"?
  • "Wearing wicket" may be tricky for non-cricketers.
  • Playing role: I'm not sure how all of this relates to Miller. I understand that you are setting up the context for Miller's role, but it seems that the only directly relevant part is about where he batted and how much he bowled. The rest seems to be more about other players and not about Miller.
Let me ponder YellowMonkey (vote in the Southern Stars and White Ferns supermodel photo poll) 06:37, 28 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I tried to make it seem more relevant by rearranging it so it's relevance is more obvious. Bradman wanted the most "complete" attack he could get, so he packed the team with every type of spinner, meaning that he could only have 2 pacemen, which meant that Miller had to bowl a lot. YellowMonkey (vote in the Southern Stars and White Ferns supermodel photo poll)

Rest of the article is good and very detailed. Excellent background and explanation of Miller's view of cricket compared to Bradman. Descriptions of the innings very good too. --Sarastro1 (talk) 20:51, 27 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

  • Comment – Cleaned up a few things in this article, but found this sentence from Fourth Test that I'm unsure about: "Miller was not required to bat after Australia were set 314 runs to win in 195 runs". I think the second one is supposed to be "minutes", but I figured I'd leave this to those knowledgeable about cricket. Giants2008 (27 and counting) 23:42, 26 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Done YellowMonkey (vote in the Southern Stars and White Ferns supermodel photo poll) 06:40, 27 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Support – Yet another strong cricket article, to the level that I've come to expect at this point. Giants2008 (27 and counting) 21:33, 30 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support provided the following two issues are fixed. What I know of cricket I've gleaned from your articles, and although I didn't follow all of the play-by-play, I think it's written at the lowest level it could possibly be, and I just need to read the judiciously linked articles to figure out what it means. Even with that handicap, I got a good idea of Miller's role in the season and what his strengths and weaknesses were, so I think the article did a good job. My two nitpicks:
  • Is this a misspelling or a word I don't know - prcontract?
  • The body of the article should wikilink or otherwise explain Rawtenstall? I know it is in the lead, but lots of people don't read the lead first.

Karanacs (talk) 15:15, 6 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

done. Thanks YellowMonkey (vote in the Southern Stars and White Ferns supermodel photo poll) 03:42, 7 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Sources

**Is the title of Whitington's book "Keith Miller: the golden nugget" (as given), or should it be "the Golden Nugget"?

    • Is the publisher of this book worth a redlink?

Otherwise sources look okay. Brianboulton (talk) 18:37, 6 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Piped link to parent company. Yes it was lower case. Thanks YellowMonkey (vote in the Southern Stars and White Ferns supermodel photo poll) 03:42, 7 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
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