Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Lat/archive1

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The article was promoted by SandyGeorgia 18:47, 30 September 2010 [1].

Lat

see Lat (cartoonist)

Featured article candidates/Lat/archive1

Nominator(s): Jappalang (talk) 06:31, 24 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

My first BLP nomination at FAC, and it is of a cartoonist! All of us had read comics at one time or another. Many of these artists are fondly remembered. North Americans know Charles Schulz. The French are aware of Albert Uderzo. Only a few have gained social recognition of the highest order. Carl Giles and Gerald Scarfe of the United Kingdom were admitted into the Order of the British Empire (OBE), but they bear not the titles of "Sir". However, Lat, a Malaysian cartoonist, received the title of datuk (akin to a British knighthood) for drawing funny pictures of people.

Lat is Malaysia's "cultural icon" and one of its most trusted person (according to a Reader's Digest poll). His works has earned the acclaim of local and foreign critics; his signature work, The Kampung Boy (1979), is a highly praised literature in the US, Japan, and Germany—bearing a glowing testimony by Matt Groening. Lat seems to have done no wrong; there are no reliable sources that cast much aspersion on him. Thanks to the research by comics scholar John Lent and Muliyaid Mahamood, there are several academic sources of information on the cartoonist. His respected status in Malaysia yields many journalistic material as supplementary sources.

So please sit down and read about this village boy who was encouraged from young by many to practice his gift, whose income helped to support his family since he was nine years old, and whose career skyrocketed because of his drawings of circumcisions and a camel-riding Prime Minister. Read on, for there is a lat more where that came from. After going through a peer review and receiving much helpful advice and queries by Brianboulton (who also gave a copy-edit) and Elcobbola, I feel the article is ready to tackle FAC. Although my current time on Wikipedia is limited (backing up failing hard drives on my home PC), I will be on at least a few hours each day to address and resolve any issue raised in this FAC. Jappalang (talk) 06:31, 24 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Comment—no dab links, but there is a dead external link to http://lathouse.com.my/home.html Ucucha 11:46, 24 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- I checked and checked, but there is no link to lathouse.com.my that is not backed up by a webarchive link. I do not understand why Checklinks is reporting one, but I suspect the tool ignores the formatting of the {{Url}} template and counts the link as starting from the word "http". Jappalang (talk) 05:19, 25 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Comments - sources look okay, links checked out with the link checker tool. Ealdgyth - Talk 14:10, 24 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Support: As noted above, I gave this article a pretty detailed peer review, details here, and did some light copyedits. It is delightful, definitely recommended reading. It induced me to buy a copy of Lat's cartoons (I hadn't realised they were available in the UK), and this article helped me considerably in my understanding and appreciation of the cartoonist's work. Worthy to be featured on the front page. Brianboulton (talk) 17:39, 24 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Support definitely. I admit I'm a Lat fan. This is an excellent article and a fantastic contribution to coverage of Malaysia on WP. Thank you. I do have one or two minor quibbles about titles, honorifics, etc:
- Mahathir is given "Tun Dr." but Hussein Onn and Abdul Razak (correctly, in my view) have no titles.
- "Samad Ismail", when referred to after the first reference, should just be "Samad".
- Likewise "Jaafar Taib" should be "Jaafar" not "Taib" on second and subsequent references (a patrynomic name, eg [2]). --Mkativerata (talk) 17:53, 24 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  - Thank you, I have adjusted the names and honorifics per your comments.[3] Jappalang (talk) 22:13, 24 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Support. Every issue I had about this one was already resolved on my talk prior to this nomination. – iridescent 20:31, 25 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Support I really like how the pictures in the article are arranged. Interesting read. Dincher (talk) 21:06, 26 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Support Great article YellowMonkey (new photo poll) 07:48, 29 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Support, two comments great stuff, just two nitpicks Jimfbleak - talk to me? 15:14, 29 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

With regard to playing in tin mines, to me that means underground. If open-cast is intended, can that be made clear?

Thank you for the support. The ore was mined by bucket dredges.[4][5] I am not sure how to phrase the type of mine this would be; is placer mine (would it then be tin placer mine or placer tin mine) a better term that is commonly understood? Jappalang (talk) 15:41, 29 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I put in a footnote (I think direct placement would appear to disrupt the reading experience).[6] Does this help clarify the nature of the mine? Jappalang (talk) 13:51, 30 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

In your important ref 1, the link to the archived version is fine, but I can't see the point of the first link in the ref, which goes nowhere Jimfbleak - talk to me? 15:14, 29 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Is this about the Willmott reference? If it is, I am not certain what is wrong; both links (archived and un-archived) work. The purpose of having the link archived is to prepare for possible link death (which tends to happen with the Malaysian newspaper sites). Jappalang (talk) 15:41, 29 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Support Very, very well-written. Just some notes on links(words bolded below) that you can add into the article.

Moving to the Malaysian capital Kuala Lumpur, Lat applied for a cartoonist's position at Berita Harian.

In 1997, after 27 years of living in Kuala Lumpur,[52] Lat moved back to Ipoh with his family. Aside from retreating slightly from the cartooning scene, he wanted to be close to his old kampung and let his children experience life in a small town or village;[6][21] he had married in 1977,[53] and the couple have four children—two daughters and two sons.

Lat's career took a turn for the better on 10 February 1974; Asia Magazine, a periodical based in Hong Kong, published his cartoons about ~~the~~ Bersunat—a circumcision ceremony all Malaysian boys of the Islamic faith have to undergo.

The caption of the last picture states that AirAsia decorated two of their planes with Lat's cartoons. However, that is not mentioned in the article. Bejinhan talks 12:14, 30 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you. I have linked KL and Ipoh on their first mentions in the main text. Berita Harian was already linked (via Berita Minggu). AirAsia's aeroplanes were mentioned in the last paragraph ("... his cartoon characters decorate stamps, financial guides, and aeroplanes."). Jappalang (talk) 13:51, 30 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Query: why do we have a green quote? MOS says to avoid markup. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 18:19, 30 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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