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The following is an archived discussion of a featured article nomination. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the article's talk page or in Wikipedia talk:Featured article candidates. No further edits should be made to this page.

The article was not promoted by GrahamColm 20:41, 2 October 2012 [1].

Maus

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Nominator(s): Curly Turkey (talk)

I am nominating this for featured article because it has been a GA for a number of months and the book is considered a key work in its medium. —Curly Turkey (talk) 07:38, 28 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Source review - spotchecks not done

  • FN32: page(s)?
Done. Whoops—misnamed parameter. —Curly Turkey (talk) 23:24, 28 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • FN139: formatting
Done. {{sfn}} should have been {{sfnm}}. —Curly Turkey (talk) 23:24, 28 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • Explanatory notes should go before citations
Done—but is there a reason for this?. —Curly Turkey (talk) 23:24, 28 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Besides convention, in this instance you include footnote citations on the explanatory notes, which had the reader jumping up instead of down. Nikkimaria (talk) 04:42, 29 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • Check italicization of publications in Works cited
Done. —Curly Turkey (talk) 23:24, 28 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • Check alphabetization of Works cited
Done. —Curly Turkey (talk) 23:24, 28 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • Hammarlund, Johnston: publisher?
Done. —Curly Turkey (talk) 23:24, 28 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • Check for minor inconsistencies like doubled periods
Done. —Curly Turkey (talk) 23:24, 28 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • Reibmann: missing editor's last name
Done. Misnamed parameter. —Curly Turkey (talk) 23:24, 28 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • Weschler: should use piped link for magazine
Done. —Curly Turkey (talk) 23:24, 28 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • Check formatting of quotes within quotes and titles within titles.
Done. —Curly Turkey (talk) 23:24, 28 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Nikkimaria (talk) 21:59, 28 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Image review

  • File:Frans_Masereel_-_Passionate_Journey_-_two_pages.jpg needs US PD tag
Done. —Curly Turkey (talk) 23:24, 28 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • File:Maus_volume_2_page_50_panels_3-4.jpg needs to explicitly identify the copyright holder; same with File:Art_Spiegelman_-_Maus_(1972)_page_1_panel_3.jpg and File:Maus_page_103_panel_2_HITLER_DID_IT.jpg
Done. —Curly Turkey (talk) 23:24, 28 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • File:Maus.jpg: suggest expanding purpose of use.
Done. —Curly Turkey (talk) 23:24, 28 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Nikkimaria (talk) 21:59, 28 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

  • Comment. As I wrote on talk (Talk:Maus/Archive 1#Comprehensiveness_quibble) more could be added on reception in Poland, but I understand that requires a Polish speaker to look at the sources. I will try to find some time in the future to see if I can help. For now, I think the article is almost comprehensive, but a little bit more could be added. It probably fits our general standards, so I am not going to object to featuring it as it is, but I cannot support it until I have looked some more into the comprehensiveness of the Polish coverage. PS. I would like to hear what FA copyeditors think about the possibly weasel formulations like "Some commentators..." and "Some critic..." (in the Criticism section)? --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 19:57, 31 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  1. I've asked at WikiProject Poland for help, but got no response. To be honest, I have to wonder just what would be missing in its Polish coverage at this point.
  2. I'd assumed that the "some commentators" and "some critics" were implied to be the commentators and critics in the sources provided. I don't want it to be an issue, so I've gone and named the names from the sources. Curly Turkey (gobble) 07:52, 4 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Fixed dead link (the Hraveys site has redone the way they do their URLs---I imagine this will affect a lot refs in a lot of comics articles). Curly Turkey (gobble) 00:54, 20 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • In the "Overview" section it is clunky saying "including his second wife, Mala. He had remarried after Anja's 1968 suicide." Vladek's "loved ones" leaves the detail for a better later explanation. Binksternet (talk) 22:56, 23 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Is this better? Curly Turkey (gobble) 00:57, 24 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]
The first part of that change you performed in the linked diff is perfect. The second part, not so much. The sentence is awkward: "Vladek has remarried to a woman called Mala since the suicide of Art's mother, Anja, in 1968." Why at this point do we need to tell the reader who Vladek is married to? Is Mala in the synopsis at this point because she helps Art get Vladek to spill the story? There is a sentence, "Art wants to get Vladek to recount his Holocaust experience"; we could follow that with something about the presence of "Vladek's second wife Mala" and whether she helps. Binksternet (talk) 16:44, 24 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Art's mother's suicide and and Vladek's remarriage are all first presented on the first page of Chapter One. Art stops by his father's house and is greeted by Vladek and Mala. It reads:
(panel 2, caption) "He had aged a lot since I saw him last. My mother's suicide and his two heart attacks had taken their toll."
(panel 3, Vladek) "Mala! Look who's here! Artie!"
(panle 3, caption) "He was remarried. Mala knew my parents in Poland before the war."
This is before we learn why Art has come to visit. Curly Turkey (gobble) 20:24, 24 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Are we restricted from arranging the elements of the synopsis to better suit the flow of information? Or must we stay in lockstep with the chronology of the literature? I think we can massage it a little bit in order to create a brief and readable summary. Binksternet (talk) 20:48, 24 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Of course it doesn't have to "stay in lockstep with the chronology"---it wasn't originally, when I had that information in the "Overview" section, which I thought was the best place to put it, setting up the general background. Mala appears throughout the book, and Anja's suicide keeps popping up, too.
To be honest,I don't really see what the problem was in the first place. If you could give me a more concrete example of what you think would be better, maybe I could see more clearly. Curly Turkey (gobble)
How about this suggestion? As an adult, Spiegelman visits his father, Vladek, from whom he had been estranged. Art wants to get Vladek to recount his Holocaust experience. Vladek's second wife Mala leaves them alone to talk. Vladek tells Art of his time in Częstochowa, Poland, describing how in 1937 he came to marry his first wife, Anja, and join her wealthy family in Sosnowiec to become a manufacturer. I hope that conveys a sense of what I was looking for. Binksternet (talk) 20:52, 25 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Hmm...I think I'd like to get a second opinion on that. Anja's suicide comes up over and over in the book and is an important part of its background—right from page one of Chapter 1. I think it would be a mistake to de-emphasize it. Also, Mala doesn't really "leave them alone" to talk. All we know from the book is that, after dinner (which is mentioned but not depicted), Art and Vladek get together to talk. (gobble) 03:18, 26 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]


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