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The article was promoted by Laser brain via FACBot (talk) 12 August 2019 [1].

Muhammad II of Granada

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Nominator(s): HaEr48 (talk) 03:57, 13 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

This article is about Muhammad II, the second monarch of Nasrid Granada (the last Muslim state in Spain). He had a rather long life and managed to ensure the survival of his small kingdom by defending and often manouvring against its larger neighbors. After passing GA I took the reviewer's follow up feedback and after some research added more information to the biography. I hope it's ready for an FA review now. HaEr48 (talk) 03:57, 13 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Comment from Tim riley

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A few points on the prose: the text is mainly in British English ("realise", "manoeuvring", "recognised", "neighbours") but the American spellings "center" and "centered" keep cropping up. And though "mountaneous" is a splendid word, it isn't in the OED: "mountainous" would be better. If the article is indeed meant to be in BrE, "This likely offended Muhammad" would be better as " This probably offended Muhammad".

There are a few duplicate links that would be better eradicated: "Muhammed III", "Nuño González de Lara", "Córdoba". That's all from me on the prose. The content looks excellent, and I expect to be supporting, but I'd prefer to wait until others more expert than I have had their say. – Tim riley talk 06:49, 13 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for your review. I fixed all the non-British words and duplinks. HaEr48 (talk) 07:11, 13 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
No pressure Tim, but would you like to revisit now? Cheers, Ian Rose (talk) 13:16, 3 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you for the nudge, Ian. I've studied the comments below and reread the article, and am entirely happy to support now. Tim riley talk 16:18, 3 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Image review

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FunkMonk

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Seems to have been resolved. FunkMonk (talk) 02:39, 18 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Any reason why Nuño González de Lara is spelled out at every mention?
  • "who were led by nobleman Nuño González de Lara" e has already been presented by this point, so why "the nobleman"?
  • "Before Abu Yusuf left, Muhammad's court poet wrote a poem expressing fear of Castile's power and appealing for the Marinids' continued help." Sounds interesting, could it perhaps be quoted here for flavour ?
Makes this come much more alive than just pure description, and also underlines the point about the importance of poetry during his reign. Shouldn't this sentence begin with a capital letter, though? "that the mosques in this land". FunkMonk (talk) 21:34, 17 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Done. Thanks, other feedback about the poem is welcome too. HaEr48 (talk) 14:17, 18 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you for your review. HaEr48 (talk) 13:18, 17 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • "With Málaga in its hands, Muhammad then helped" His hands?
  • "who was checked by the North African Volunteers of the Faith" Any background on these? Had they been brought by the Marinids? I see they are explained under Governance and legacy, but wouldn't it be best at first mention?
  • "by Infantes Sancho" Infante?
    • Infante is actually a Spanish royal title, usually for a king's son. Sources about Spanish history in this period (e.g. O'Callaghan) often uses "Infante X" to refer to such a person, even in subsequent mentions, so I'm just imitating that because it feels useful to hint that these people are very high-ranking. The part you highlighted reads "Infantes Sancho, Peter and John" because there are three infantes. I added "(Prince)" at the first mention of the word - would that help? Another alternative is to not use the title, but it means losing the hint that these people are high-ranked (there are more infantes mentioned in this article). Do you have suggestions? HaEr48 (talk) 14:12, 18 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Ok, I think it would help if you simply said "the infantes", which might convey better that it refers to all of them. FunkMonk (talk) 16:14, 18 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
@FunkMonk: Thanks, done. HaEr48 (talk) 20:23, 18 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Source review - Pass

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All of the sources used appear to be reliable. I am unable to find any other sources which would materially add to the content of the article. I found no unattributed close paraphrasing. I consider the sources to be current. A reasonable mix of perspectives are represented. Everything that I would expect to be cited, is. I have carried out a limited spot check of a few citations, and in those cases the sources referred to seem to support the text cited.

There are several acceptable ways of hyphenating ISBNs, but only one should be used within any single article. I have tweaked Catlos.

Gog the Mild (talk) 17:27, 16 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for your review. HaEr48 (talk) 18:03, 16 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Support Comments by Sturmvogel_66

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  • The Volunteers were a component of Granada's military made up of warriors from North Africa, largely political exiles who migrated with their families and tribes.[46] They were so integrated with Granada that they still defended Granada against Castile despite Granada also being at war with the Marinid state where they came from. Why should this be notable? They were exiles from Morocco and almost certainly didn't have any loyalty to the government that exiled them.
    • "I removed "They were so integrated with Granada that ..." to make it less dramatic. The source I use (Harvey p. 159) seem to think this is noteworthy. Maybe you're right, but arguably there is a difference between joining a holy war abroad and being in a foreign army that is at war with your home country, exiled or not. Thank you for your review! HaEr48 (talk) 02:53, 28 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Otherwise, nicely done. I'll look it over again in a few days to see if there's anything that I missed on the first go around.--Sturmvogel 66 (talk) 21:52, 27 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Many of them were members of tribes or families which became political exiles from the Marinid state. Shouldn't this be "had been exiled"?
  • Otherwise not seeing anything else in need of correction.--Sturmvogel 66 (talk) 19:25, 1 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Support by Constantine

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I reviewed this at GAN, and am very happy with the changes and additions since. I also added a few minor things on Muhammad's contributions to the institutions of the Nasrid state and did a few minor copyedits. after going it over, I really can't think of anything to complain about. There is potentially some scope for expansion (I am pretty sure that some more details about his legislative and administrative activities could be found in very specialist sources), but otherwise the article is comprehensive, and none of the—otherwise excellent—sources I have at my disposal on al-Andalus come close to it in terms of completeness. So definitely support, and well done to HaEr48. Constantine ✍ 16:59, 20 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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