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The article was not promoted by User:SandyGeorgia 01:17, 30 September 2008 [1].

No Mercy (2005)

Nominator(s): --L A X

I am nominating this article for featured article because I believe it meets all the FA criteria. It has been taken "out-of-universe" and improved based on the recent FAC of SummerSlam (2003), WP:PW's latest FA. It is readable to non-wrestling fans and doesn't contain any jargon. Any concerns will be addressed. --L A X 20:01, 13 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Source check - Ealdgyth is out of commission due to Hurricane Ike, so I'll handle the source review here.

~~What makes http://www.prowrestlinghistory.com a reliable source?~~

Couldn't tell you. I don't really think the amount of money grossed is all that important; I think I could just remove it. As for the attendance, however, I'm not so sure. I can't find any reliable sources for it, and I wouldn't want to leave it unsourced. So I guess it's whatever you decide. --L A X 21:51, 15 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I believe the reason it is reliable is because it has always had accurate results for ppvs by WWF/E, TNA, etc.--WillC 22:03, 15 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I discussed this with Ealdgyth in the past, the reason it hasn't been found reliable is because a reliable third party source hasn't mentioned or credited them. Though, the way they get their info is reliable, through VHS, magazines, and they have a established staff of writers. If anyone want's to take a shot at proving it reliable, be my guest, I haven't found anything. --S_RX 22:10, 15 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Removed. --L A X 10:02, 24 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

~~Ref 19 (the WWE press release) needs an access date.~~

Done. --L A X 21:51, 15 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Links checked out with the link-checker tool. Giants2008 (17-14) 20:54, 15 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Prose: a very quick look suggests that it's OK. Tony (talk) 09:58, 18 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

A very thorough look also suggests that it's OK. Most of it is really quite good, but there is some slippage toward the end. Here's what I found in a full reading.

~~"Batista, as part of the storyline, then proclaimed that he would hurt Guerrero had he not changed for the better." Something about this seems off. I think it may be the "had he not" part.~~
~~"During the match, "Cowboy" Bob (disguised as a fan) came into the ring an interrupted the match."~~
Event, Preliminary matches: Maybe say which of Holly's arms was being attacked. Or was it both? If you can't find this anywhere, it's no big deal.
Main event matches: Sounds like Batista and the crowd were mocking Guerrero. Perhaps say as much in the article, if the source says so; otherwise it's probably original research. Again, not a big deal if left unchanged.
Aftermath: "Their feud was planned to continue, in which Guerrero would have gone back to his villainous character." In which is referring to the feud, not continue; it's not the smoothest transition. Try and or as.
~~"This setup a Hell in the Cell match..." Not sure about setup being one word here.~~
~~"Undertaker defeated Randy and ended their near year-long storyline." Perhaps nearly, though that's quite picky.~~
~~"in which the winner would be the man who wins won four matches over the other first." Tense correction would be good.~~
"The buys from No Mercy helped the promotion's revenue of $18.8 million..." I still don't like the helped part. This is at least the third time I've said that here. Also, non-breaking spaces are needed for the two numbers in that sentence.
~~"None of the matches received a match rating higher the five out of ten." A redundancy and a typo.~~
"The match between Bobby Lashley and Simon Dean was rated a three out of ten, the lowest overall." Ten should be changed to a numeral. It's fine to leave the others spelled out, because numbers shouldn't end a sentence if it can be avoided. Giants2008 (17-14) 18:56, 18 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Done. --L A X 10:36, 19 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Support prose - ~~Reference situation still has to be sorted out.~~ Giants2008 (17-14) 21:25, 23 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

No. I removed it. --L A X 01:21, 24 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Comment - ~~the background section seems to deal with standard professional wrestling knowledge. Perhaps include a "see also" link at the top of the section?~~ Ottava Rima (talk) 22:50, 26 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

It does, in a way, which at the request of a reviewer at a previous WP:PW PPV FA (which has since passed). It was done to take the article out of universe. Many project members feel that it's unnecessary, but other FA reviews stated it was needed. Gavyn Sykes (talk) 23:59, 26 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not saying its bad. I'm just saying there just needs to be a "see also" template at the top of the section with a larger page on the background of professional wrestling. Ottava Rima (talk) 14:18, 27 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

As a contributor to a Featured Professional Wrestling Article, I actually like that idea.--S _R X 14:22, 27 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Good idea. A great compromise between "overexplain it" and "just link it to professional wrestling. Should make both sides happy. Gavyn Sykes (talk) 16:06, 27 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Done. --L A X 20:38, 27 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose by User:Dweller

"wrestlers and other talent" What other talent? Not mentioned in rest of article, that I can see. Was there a warm-up act or something that wasn't wrestling? (Also, this may be a dialect thing, but "talent" sounds POV to me) --Dweller (talk) 14:09, 29 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
what on earth does "unmerciful" mean in this context? And why such a superlative positive or negative (no idea which, but presumably it's one or the other) when they only rated it 5/10? --Dweller (talk) 14:12, 29 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
In English English we wouldn't say "lit it on fire". OK in US Eng? --Dweller (talk) 14:14, 29 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
"preliminary match" is helpfully wikilinked. "primary preliminary match" is not and comes across as tautologous. --Dweller (talk) 14:15, 29 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Other talent would mean commentatators, ring announcers and on-screen authority figures as well as referees. Gavyn Sykes (talk) 14:19, 29 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

"Nine professional wrestling matches were featured on the event's card, which were planned with predetermined outcomes by WWE's script writers." The subject of the sentence is the (passive) card, so was planned would be better, but even better if you make it active. You need to cite the script writers/predetermined.
"a storyline expansion in which WWE assigned its employees" presumably it's "to which" but even then I don't understand what you mean
first mention of Batista uses his nickname, which is informal --Dweller (talk) 14:28, 29 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
"Randy faced off against Undertaker" Doesn't he need a definite article each time? --Dweller (talk) 14:30, 29 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I very much doubt any druids were there. Perhaps actors dressed as...

It looks like a well-written, well-researched article that could seriously do with a third party copyedit from someone like me who knows nothing about wrestling. So, for that reason, I oppose for now. --Dweller (talk) 14:34, 29 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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