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Sonic the Hedgehog (character)

Nomination : Well written, many pictures, explains very well how Sonic lives his life, etc... KYMYK 12:43, 9 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Comment Just browsing through, I just notice that the article is referencing fan web sites, which are not highly reliable because sometimes they spread misinformation. In my opinion, for video game articles it is just to best stick to mainstream video game news websites for references i.e., Gamespot, IGN, 1up, etc., --4.253.35.4 16:30, 9 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Comment, I agree with Mr. 35.4, except I think that mainstream news sources and books on the subject should also be allowed alongside major game websites. Andrew Levine 21:38, 9 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
We did this because to a reader they are more verifiable than {{cite video game}}. (While {{cite video game}} does provide verifiability, it isn't very useful online.) The fan sites we referenced are peer reviewed, and while I know that GHZ and concept-mobius aren't exactly IGN, IGN isn't going to go into enough detail for wikipedia articles. A lot of these references are for in-universe or in-game information that a news source would skip because they would not want to spoil the game. The criterion we used was to only accept sites with their own domain name, and to be very judicious at that; strictly speaking, it isn't much worse than a university lecturer referencing a textbook made by colleagues in his/her field. --DavidH Oz Au 03:30, 18 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose Constantly switches back and forth from in-universe to out-of-universe POV, badly needs a copyedit- I corrected a major grammar mistake on the very first sentence of the article! The appearences section should be at the beginning- he's not real, we should find out what games/comics and such he's been in long before we find out the friends he's had in them and where they are set. Someone who doesn't know much about Sonic please give this a look over, it badly needs it. --PresN 04:26, 10 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
I just copy-edited the article to address that issue; his appearances has been raised to the second heading, followed by voice acting and gameplay/abilities information. Other in-universe information is now at the bottom of the article. Are there any other concerns about placement of text? --DavidH Oz Au 04:02, 18 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Comment - For me to support, there needs to be a more judicious use of fair use images. So many of them are the same, the number needs to be cut down and better justified. Judgesurreal777 21:46, 10 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Comment I'm one of the biggest contributors in this page, and is a nice job, but not "100%" (some text, the pictures). And nowadays is stable... but can get messy and filled with edit wars some day. igordebraga ≠ 18:53, 13 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: Avoid in-line citations in the middle of the sentences. It is not good for the flow of the prose. Do it only, if it is absolutely necessary.--Yannismarou 09:50, 14 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Some comments:

The Cameos/popularity has an external link in the middle. Articles should only have wikilinks in the body.
Image:Supersonicx.jpg, Image:SR Sonic.jpg and Image:002sonic.jpg are too big, tagged them with {{fair use reduce}}.
The Television series section has two images, Image:036sonic.jpg and Image:002sonic.jpg, while only one is needed as both are showing Sonic.
Image:036sonic.jpg has no fair use rationale.
Fair use rationale for Image:Son&amy.jpg and Image:002sonic.jpg are very weak.
Fan comments aren't really necessary (in example, called "Sonic Boom" by fans). The Enemies and rivals section is awful because it is based on speculation about fan tastes (in example, Some fans debate over whether Metal Sonic is truly replaced by Shadow the Hedgehog in his role, followed by ...Metal Sonic's popularity is still one an equal if not slightly higher level among fans and then with Some say Metal Sonic is still Sonic's true rival).
There are several examples of original research, including Metal Sonic's current location is unknown to everyone, except possibly Omega and Shadow, He tries desperately to protect that information, possibly out of embarrassment, This is a possible reason why the animals talk and However, since Dark Super Sonic does not appear in any games, he probably does not officially exist in the Sonic Universe
There needs to be some obvious text polishing. In example, in Sonic frequently made cruel jokes at the expense of his friend Tails, behavior contrary to that seen in most of the continuities. See that article for more information, where the See that article for more information is not encyclopedic.
One of the worst mistakes: the article uses second person. It should be tagged with {{inappropriate person}}. Examples are It is going to be a game where you race against other characters to the end of a level, We can see in parts of Sonic Adventure 2
Prose needs polishing. An example, in the Super Sonic spends more time toying with his opponent and making comments about their fighting skill sentence, it begins talking about a single enemy (his opponent) but immediately expand to multiple enemies (their fighting skill).
There are some typos around, in example speed of light(If he charges his energy (there is a lack of space after "light") and Gamecube version of the game(Sonic Adventure DX:Director's Cut) (same problem), while in other parts there is a space. Problems with quotes too: in some parts the dot is inside double quotes, while in others it is outside (in example, Sonic's arch-rival is Shadow the Hedgehog, the "Ultimate Life Form".—dot outside—, They became close friends, with Sonic helping Emerl "grow up".—dot outside—, they are described as a "Lovely Couple."—dot inside—, they are described as an "Unbreakable Bond."—dot inside—).
There is a {{fact}} tag (citation needed). Remove the sentence or find the reference.
Use it is instead of it's, and do not instead of don't.
Don't use - to add an explanation, use – (ndash) or — (mdash) per dash guidelines. Some examples of where the article is using them: However, this would be played down and finally dropped entirely as time went on - largely as a result of the "Girl Power" phenomenon sweeping the United Kingdom - and Sonic and Tails are rarely without each other - they often go emerald searching,

I think that is all for now, if you need more help, I can give a better review later. -- ReyBrujo 04:03, 18 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I'll try to fix the fair use rationale ASAP.
Image:036sonic.jpg and Image:SR Sonic.jpg are no longer on the page.
I have tried to shrink the first image, Image:sonicnextgen.png, and now IE users are going to see black. ;-) I'll get right on the others. (I can't fix the blackness because the bKGD chunk gets tossed and set to black as soon as I upload it.)
You can fail this article now, the other points will take a while to clean up. Thanks for the review, I didn't know that the prose was that flawed.

--DavidH Oz Au 07:25, 18 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Support - Oh no you don't. You are not about to tear down Sonic the Hedgehog. What do you mean, "You can fail this article now,"? You can't just give up on Sonic like that! Have hope! Stand strong! Fastnaturedude 05:03, 24 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment I'm good at rearranging sentences and forming a flowing paragraph structure, but spotting redundant words in a sentence is not my forté. I'm nearing the end of what I can fix — the last 5% takes 50% of the time. Furthermore, FAC determines if an article is high quality and is not a vote; the article won't pass until all concerns have been addressed. --DavidH Oz Au 06:34, 24 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]