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The article was promoted by Gog the Mild via FACBot (talk) 2 July 2023 [1].

Thank You (Meghan Trainor album)

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Nominator(s): NØ 06:05, 6 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

This article is about Meghan Trainor's sophomore album, Thank You. It produced hits like "No" and "Me Too", which you may have heard on the radio or TikTok. There's an interesting backstory, as Trainor rewrote most of the album after her label rejected doo-wop material in the style of her previous one. The result was, well, "a bit of a hotchpotch" as one critic put it. Many reviewers thought Trainor lost her artistic identity, and sales were lower as well. Thank you in advance to everyone who will take the time to give their feedback here.--NØ 06:05, 6 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Media review—pass

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That should complete media review. Pseud 14 (talk) 14:27, 6 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

CommentsSupport from Chris

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  • "which respectively peaked at numbers three and 13 on the US Billboard Hot 100" - for consistency I would write both those as digits
  • "Reviewers were divided about Thank You, a few thought" => "Reviewers were divided about Thank You; a few thought"
  • "Trainor's artists and repertoire" - this makes it sound like these are people who work for her, rather than the label. Maybe "Trainor's artists and repertoire contact".....?
  • "she confirmed collaborations with R. City and her mother" => "she confirmed collaborations with her mother and R. City" so it doesn't sound so much like the "her" refers to R. City
  • "and the target version" - assuming this refers to the store, Target needs a capital T
  • "and Ibiza reggae song" - is "Ibiza reggae" really a thing.....?
  • "the Billboard 200 issued for June 4, 2016" => "the Billboard 200 dated June 4, 2016"
  • That's it, I think -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 15:57, 6 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Aoba47

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  • Apologies in advance for being super nitpick-y. For this part, (with several public appearances and televised performances), I would remove "several". It does not serve a purpose and is more of a filler word in this context.
  • I would remove this part, (failed to showcase her talent), from the lead. When I jump down to the "Critical reception" section, this part is tied to the (not showcase Trainor's artistic identity), which is already represented in the lead with this part, (believed it lacked artistic identity). I would replace it with a brief part on the critiques on the album's "themes of female empowerment", which is not represented in the lead at all.
  • This is purely a suggestion so feel free to say no, but do you think it would be beneficial to include an image of Ricky Reed (since one is available) to the "Recording and production" section as he appears to have a major role in the development of the album. Also, is there any reason why he is not marked as a executive producer in the infobox?
  • Thank you so much for the image suggestion. Template:Infobox album discourages mentioning the exec role in the infobox and encourages mentioning it in the body later.
  • Thank you for the clarification and for the link. That makes sense to me. It always looks rather unnecessarily bulky and odd to have links and parentheticals in the infobox for this kind of information. The last time I worked on an album article was back for this FAC in 2021, and I hate thinking about how much time has passed since then lol. Aoba47 (talk) 14:35, 7 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Ah, I remember glancing at your work on Hey Y'all. I remember that was phenomenal and got me interested in that album even though Country music's not usually my thing, lol.--NØ 19:00, 8 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Apologies again for being super nitpick-y, but for this part, (Trainor also co-wrote songs with its frontman), I would remove "also" as like with "several", it is mostly a filler word in this context.
  • The citations are not always in numeric order. Is this intentional?
  • The order corresponds to the order of sourced information in each individual sentence.
  • Is there any background information on the album being an Apple Music exclusive for a week? It just seems like an odd choice so I am curious if there was any discussion about it or a press release or something.
  • USA Today covered it as a "Mother's Day present" but it's not quoting a primary source so I was doubtful about including it.
  • Again, I am being super nitpick-y, but I would move the citation that is currently after this part, (The first two), to right after the song titles. I think cutting off this sentence in this way hinders readability and just looks off.
  • I would add a part about how people thought her performance and fall on The Tonight Show was a PR stunt so this was also raised with the "Me Too" music video.
  • I've covered this in a note, if that's okay. This performance was positively reviewed by a majority of sources so it might have been undue weight to highlight one critic's opinion in the prose.
  • Apologies for that. For whatever reason, I misremembered and I thought more critics had held this opinion. A note works for me, but I could understand if this is removed later if other reviewers think it is giving this individual undue weight even as a note. Aoba47 (talk) 14:35, 7 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • No worries. I have removed it for the time being.
  • "Woman Up" was featured on "Reality Stars: The Musical", an episode from season nine of RuPaul's Drag Race. Is that notable enough to mention in this article? I did find two solid sources for it. This Billboard article claims the song gained more attention from this appearance. This Out source is solid; the article is still active, but for whatever reason, it will not load for me correctly so I used an archived link here.
  • Added.
  • I believe you had brought up the Mother's Day thing on the article's talk page a few years ago. Thanks for that as well!

I hope this review is helpful. Just so you know, I will be primarily focusing on the prose, and I will leave the sources up to the source reviewer. Once everything has been addressed, I will read through article a few more times just to make sure I do my due diligence as a reviewer. Best of luck with this FAC! Congrats on all the work you've been doing lately. I am sure Meghan Trainor would love all the work you do on her articles on here. Aoba47 (talk) 02:50, 7 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for the helpful review and the kind words, Aoba47! I anticipate your re-read and any follow-up comments.--NØ 06:38, 7 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you for addressing everything. I plan on reading through the article again either on Thursday or Friday just so I can take some time away and come in hopefully fresh. Have a great rest of your week! Aoba47 (talk) 14:35, 7 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • I would start a new paragraph with this part, (Upon hearing it, L.A. Reid, the chairman of Epic Records,), replacing it with "Just a Friend to You" as I believe that is what is being referenced. The addition of the image elongates this paragraph so I would use this natural break in topic to avoid having larger wall of text. This is more of a suggestion so feel free to disagree, but I still thought it was worth raising. Again, apologies for this more nitpick-y comment.

That should be it. Great work with this article as always. Once my above comment is addressed, I will be more than happy to support this FAC based on the prose. Best of luck with the FAC. I am curious on what your next FAC will be. Aoba47 (talk) 18:44, 8 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks a ton for the review, Aoba47! I have addressed the final point. Hope you are having a great week so far!--NØ 19:00, 8 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you for addressing everything and I am glad that I could help. I support this FAC for promotion based on the prose. Aoba47 (talk) 19:06, 8 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Support by Unlimitedlead

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Will review based on prose soon. Unlimitedlead (talk) 20:49, 8 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

  • "Meghan Trainor signed a contract with Epic Records and released her debut single, "All About That Bass", in June 2014": Did Trainor join Epic Records and release a single in the same months? If not, I would suggest rephrasing to something like "Meghan Trainor signed a contract with Epic Records in [month] 2014 and released her debut single, "All About That Bass", in June of that same year".
  • "In December 2015, she revealed that the album would be completed soon": Where did she reveal this? An interview? Social media?
  • "The standard edition of Thank You includes 12 tracks;[35] the deluxe edition contains three additional original songs, and the Target version has 17 tracks": Is this 17 including the 12 tracks + the 3 deluxe songs + 2 Target-exclusive songs, or is it the original 12 + 5 Target-exclusive tracks? It is not clear here.
I see this issue is resolved later on, but it was confusing upon a first read. I would still fix it.
  • "...whose instrumentation of percussion, guitar, and a "loping beat" gives it a "Caribbean feel" according to PopMatters...": I think "gives" should be singular here.
  • "...due to unapproved digital alteration of her waist size...": I am glad I reviewed "Me Too" so I know what is going on- I would clarify that the alteration was alleged; again, we don't know if it is true or not, and Wikipedia (as a neutral encyclopedia) cannot take sides.
  • "In the US, the former album debuted at number three...": What do you mean by former? Is there a latter album?
  • "Personnel adapted from the album's liner notes.[30]": Then where is the citation for Recording locations?

I listened to "No" for the first time while reviewing this article, and it was lovely. A nice read, but I did feel slightly uncomfortable with the large amount of quotes employed; nonetheless, wonderful work yet again. Unlimitedlead (talk) 23:45, 8 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks a lot for the insightful comments, Unlimitedlead. The exact month Trainor signed her contract is not known. I've now seriously cut down on the amount of quotes. Glad to hear that you enjoyed the article! Hope it looks even better after the changes.--NØ 00:54, 9 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Great. I will support this nomination. Unlimitedlead (talk) 01:22, 9 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

(Support) Sammi Brie

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Prose review. Sammi Brie (she/her • t • c) 23:37, 28 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

  • "Trainor was embroiled in controversies surrounding the lyrics of "All About That Bass", and the portrayal of gender roles in the music video for her song "Dear Future Husband" (2015)." Drop the comma (User:Sammi Brie/Commas in sentences)
  • "two-albums worth" maybe "two albums' worth"?
  • " "I wanted this album to be dedicated to everyone who helped me get here — from my family, to my fans, to radio people, to magazines. Everyone". " You are quoting a full sentence, so period inside quotes.
  • "...and Elvis Presley, and ones she missed" Remove this comma
  • "and Knoxville News Sentinel's" add "the" before "Knoxville News Sentinel"
  • " "Dance Like Yo Daddy" includes squawking saxophone sounds and audacious background vocals, and is about eschewing one's wariness and dancing." Remove comma
  • "female-empowerment" why is this hyphenated
  • "Ashley Roberts' " I'd consider "Roberts's" per MOS:'S or reword
Thanks for making time to review this, Sammi Brie! All done. Good to see I didn't mess up too much this time.--NØ 01:37, 29 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Supporting. I believe all that will be needed here is a source review. Sammi Brie (she/her • t • c) 01:45, 29 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Source review (pass)

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  • The sources used in the article are reliable and high-quality, particularly for a music-based article. The citations are well-structured throughout. I have done a spot-check, and everything from the sources matches the citations and supports the information in the article. I just have some minor comments below:
  • For Citation 14, it should be "Body-Positive" since it is presented in title case. I have the same comment for "Non-Photoshopped" in Citation 47.
  • Would it be helpful to link AllAccess in Citation 70? It is a redirect to the Mediabase article so I could see avoiding it for that reason, but I still wanted to ask anyway.
  • Citation 119 should have a translation for the title. If possible, a translation for Citations 117, 120, and 121 would also be ideal.
  • Citations 26, 58, and 120 are dead on my end at least.

Once these very minor points are addressed, I will be more than happy to pass this source review. Hopefully, this will be what the FAC needs to cross the finish line and get promoted. Aoba47 (talk) 11:25, 2 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]


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