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The article was promoted by Gog the Mild via FACBot (talk) 22 August 2022 [1].

Title (album)

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Nominator(s): NØ and Lips are movin 03:21, 28 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

This article is about Meghan Trainor's debut major-label studio album Title, her breakthrough into superstardom and commercial success (which unfortunately didn't last long). Defying expectations of one-hit wonderdom, the album achieved an impressive three top-10 hits on the US Billboard Hot 100 and capped 2015 as one of the best-selling albums of the year. Critics were however proven right in doubting Trainor's overall commercial sustainability. This article is the centrepiece to several other FAs I have written in this topic. It's pretty lengthy so thanks a lot to everyone who will take the time to give their feedback here.--NØ 03:21, 28 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Aoba47

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  • I have moved the image up for the time being which fixes the sandwiching issue. I will remove it if multiple reviewers share this opinion, though.

I am leaving this up as a placeholder. I do have one comment, but I will post a full review sometime tomorrow. I am looking forward to reading the article tomorrow. Best of luck with this FAC! Aoba47 (talk) 22:45, 28 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  • The lead only mentions negative reviews for the album. Are there positive reviews/trends worth mentioning there as well?
  • Added.
  • Done.
  • For this part, shaming thin women, I think it may be beneficial to spell out body shaming in its entirety to make this completely clear for readers.
  • Spelled out.

Here are some further comments. I will do another read-through once the above comments have been addressed. Aoba47 (talk) 01:03, 29 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I would like to massively thank you for providing a review to all FACs in this topic! These are addressed, excited for further comments from you Aoba47.--NØ 05:20, 29 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you for addressing everything! I will read through the article again later today if that is okay with you. Aoba47 (talk) 16:34, 29 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • A track-by-track commentary edition of the album was released (which can be found on Spotify). Do you think that should be briefly mentioned in the article?
  • I'm unsure how to work this into prose as it does not seem to have drawn commentary from any secondary sources; I don't recollect this having been released along with the album either so the given release date looks sketchy as well.
  • That is fair. I does look odd to me as well. I have seen this kind of thing for an album before, but this one in particular seems off. I only wanted to ask as I remember randomly finding on Spotify. Aoba47 (talk) 19:43, 29 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

This is my last comment. Thank you for your patience with my review and I am glad that I could help with all of the different FACs. You have. put a lot of work into these articles and you should proud of that, and I am looking forward to whatever you work on in the future. Aoba47 (talk) 17:52, 29 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for getting through this pretty big article so quickly and the kind words! I hope you are having a great week so far and I look forward to your future works as well.--NØ 18:28, 29 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Comments by Pseud 14

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  • They were tired of the electronic dance music that populated contemporary hit radio -- suggestion instead of "populated" - They were tired of the electronic dance music predominant in contemporary hit radio
  • Accepted.
  • While a teenager, Trainor's parents nudged -- As a teenager
  • Amended.
  • I would link eponymous to eponym
  • Done.
  • offered a full scholarship to the Berklee College of Music -- at the Berklee..
  • Done. Thanks for catching this!
  • Done.
  • She deleted her independent albums in the build-up to its release. -- did she delete/remove from her YouTube channels/social media accounts, etc? If so, perhaps you can specify where it was removed.
  • I've reverted to the source wording here which hopefully gives more clarity. Unfortunately secondary sources weren't very specific with this.
  • Revision looks good and clearly explained now.
  • comprising music videos and behind-the-scenes footage -- comprising of
  • Done.
  • She performed at award shows including -- comma before including
  • Added.
  • Trainor's appearances on popular television talk shows -- perhaps we can omit "popular" as this can be perceived as subjective.
  • Agreed, reworded.
  • In the critical reception section, I think you’ve used the word "opined" four times, perhaps tweak a few of it to avoid repetition. (e.g. wrote, commented, said, etc)
  • I cut this down to two usages.

That's all I got. Article is well-written, detailed and has all the elements. Great work! --Pseud 14 (talk) 15:53, 30 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you so much for the review and compliments, Pseud 14! Should be all addressed now. I hope you're having a great day!--NØ 16:50, 30 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
If you have the time or inclination, I'd appreciate your feedback as well on a music related FLC.

Comments by FrB.TG

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  • "The album was supported by four singles, "All About That Bass", which reached number one in 58 countries and became the best-selling song by a female artist in the 2010s, and the US Billboard Hot 100 top-15 singles "Lips Are Movin", "Dear Future Husband", and "Like I'm Gonna Lose You", the latter of which features John Legend and peaked at number one in Australia, New Zealand, and Poland." Too many and's and too long a sentence. I suggest splitting it.
  • Split.
  • "As a teenager, Trainor's parents.." This sounds like her parents were teenagers when this happened.
  • Clarified.
  • "Trainor was unsure about becoming a recording artist herself; her father recalled: "She thought she was one of the chubby girls who would never be an artist".[2]" The source needs a |url-access=subscription parameter. If the quote ends in full stop in the source then the full stop in the article needs to be placed inside the quotation mark ("...artist.") per MOS:LQ.
  • Good catch!
  • From sentence "Trainor wrote songs she wished existed when she attended high school" in the lead, I got the impression that Trainor wished these songs existed when she was a high-schooler (i.e. another artist had done it), but "she wished she had written some of its songs before she attended high school" suggests that she wished that she herself had written it earlier.
  • I have now made this consistent after consulting the source wording.
  • Do we really need the ellipsis at the end of the quote " "I want to help myself"?
  • Removed.
  • "The standard edition of Title includes 11 tracks; the deluxe edition includes" - suggest replacing one include with contain or comprise to avoid repetition.
  • Done.
  • "present a list of the things a man needs to do in order to be Trainor's life partner" - this can be simplified to "lists the things a man needs to do to be Trainor's life partner".
  • Simplified.
  • "It was the best-selling song by a female artist in the 2010s, selling 5.8 million digital downloads in the US" - repetition of "selling" within a close proximity.
  • Fixed.

Down to the end of Release and promotion. More later. FrB.TG (talk) 19:38, 4 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  • Added this.
  • The critical reception section somewhat suffers from the "A said B, C said D" where one opinion is listed after another, making it repetitive at places. For example, the second section begins with some reviewers deeming the album repetitive and ends with a certain critic criticizing this aspect. It could benefit from some rearranging so we don't have a "some reviewers criticized the repetitiveness ... critic A called it repetitive".
  • I intended "Title's repetitiveness drew criticism" as a summary statement for the second paragraph so the repetition here is intentional. It is written with WP:CRS in mind and each paragraph tries to drive home the point expressed in its first sentence. I understand your point about repeating the exact same wording, though, so I have rephrased this particular example.
I get that and that's what I am trying to emphasize. The second paragraph introduces the repetition criticism. As such, the reader knows that the section is going to be about this so a sentence fragment like "criticized the repetitiveness" is repetitive. I see that this part has already been removed, which is much better now. FrB.TG (talk) 18:58, 5 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • We have four instances of "debuted at number one" in two paragraphs. Some variety would be good.
  • I brought some variation.
  • "Title received certifications, including 3× Platinum in the US,[128] Australia,[129] Canada,[130] 2× Platinum in Poland" - the way the certifications in Australia and Canada remain nameless and the Polish certification is mentioned, it sounds like the album was 3x Platinum certified in those two countries. FrB.TG (talk) 17:08, 5 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Then there should be an and before Canada to clarify that 3x Pl. ends here. The same applies to places like "Platinum in Denmark,[133] New Zealand,[134] Sweden,[135] and the UK". I would suggest separating them with a semi-colon: "Title received certifications, including 3× Platinum in the US,[128] Australia,[129] and Canada;[130] 2× Platinum in Poland;[131] Platinum+Gold in Mexico;[132] Platinum in Denmark,[133] New Zealand,[134] Sweden,[135] and the UK;[136] and Gold in the Netherlands." FrB.TG (talk) 18:58, 5 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Done--NØ 19:08, 5 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Media review (pass)

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That should complete my review of the article's relevant media usage. Only one qualm re updating caption which is reasonably fixable. But that won't hinder this from being passed. --Pseud 14 (talk) 13:34, 15 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you very much for the media review! I have added years to the file captions.--NØ 13:47, 15 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Source review – Pass

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Will do soon. Aza24 (talk) 22:50, 17 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Formatting
  • Recommend using {{Cite interview}} for ref 9, as the text being sourced is not all by Kawashima
  • Done.
  • Publisher for ref 20 should be Ryan Seacrest Productions
  • Amended.
  • The Sun should be included in ref 27
  • Added.
  • The interview template might be worth use for ref 51 as well (Scott Simon and Trainor)
  • Done.
  • missing retrieval dates in refs 135 and 136
  • Added.
  • there's only one ref which uses trans-title, though I would recommend they all do, it should be consistent either way
  • I just went ahead and added it to every ref using the "language" parameter.
  • Otherwise looks good
Reliability
  • Not sure how high-quality Nantucket Today (ref 5) and N Magazine (ref 7) are
  • I was able to eliminate Nantucket Today and replace N Magazine with the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette that looks reliable to me.
  • Was a little unsure about Boston Common (ref 25)
  • This is an interview so I guess WP:ABOUTSELF applies? The person credited as the author also seems to have contributed to reputed sources.
  • PR Newswire (ref 73) is a generally unreliable source (per consensus on the Reliabillity notice-board on WP) so I would strongly recommend switching it out with something else
  • Removed.
Verifiability
Looks great! Sorry for the delay. Pass for source review. Aza24 (talk) 02:27, 22 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Comments from Ippantekina

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Will review this soon. One preliminary comment I have is per MOS:IRELEV the use of a photo of Trainor singing at the Jingle Ball 2014 is unjustified. I'd consider removing it. Ippantekina (talk) 04:30, 20 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the comment. I hope you can complete this asap so the article can be promoted before August slips away.--NØ 17:19, 21 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • "They were tired of" a little informal
  • I'm not sure I understand why this would be considered informal so I'll open up to suggestions on what wording you'd like to see.
  • I'd go for something like "They chose not to follow contemporary trends" or "They were dissatisfied with"; "tired of" seems more of spoken speech rather than written speech.
  • "the latter of which" "latter" is often used for two subjects; consider "the last of which"
  • Done.
  • "ninth best-selling" ninth-best-selling (the hyphen)
  • Done.
  • "'50s-sounding record" "'50s sounding record; mind the small space between " and ' per MOS:QWQ
  • Done.
  • "Kevin's my guy" this quote is a little lightweight and can be removed imo
  • I will remove this.
  • I don't know what "three-part harmonies" is
  • This refers to a harmony with three intervals, I guess. I've added a link to Harmony now.
  • "big choruses" a little POV
  • Attributed as a direct quote to Trainor now.
  • "to correct issues with contemporary dating and hookup culture" "correct issues" seems a little strong; what about "as a reaction to"?
  • "It was the best-selling song by a female artist in the 2010s, with 5.8 million digital downloads sold in the US" I have not checked the source but this claim seems dubious. I think the claim should go to Adele's "Rolling in the Deep" selling 8.4 million.
  • I'll add a note regarding this. The 2019 Nielsen Year-end report shows "All About That Bass", followed by "Shake It Off", "Dark Horse" and then "Hello".
  • Relating this back to the lead, if it was indeed the best-selling female digital song of the 2010s in the U.S., I'd mention that because the current wording makes it seem like it was the best-selling digital song of the 2010s worldwide
  • "signaled Trainor's commercial success is unsustainable" I'd change to "unsustainable commercial success"
  • "multiple weeks at the summit" I'd mention how many weeks
  • "pinnacle" sounds metaphor-ish; I'd keep it simple "atop" "number one" etc.
  • "The title track reached the ultimate position on the Billboard Hot 100" the "ultimate position" is No. 1 or No. 100?

That's all from me. Ippantekina (talk) 09:00, 22 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Ippantekina, I believe the above should be addressed now. Many thanks for reviewing this!--NØ 12:11, 22 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Support on prose. The Digital Songs ranking is indeed weird, but the source cited does say this is the best-selling 2010s female single. Ippantekina (talk) 14:49, 22 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Request for the coordinators

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@FAC coordinators: I would like a status update on this nomination if possible, since it is coming up on a month and everything seems to be in order. Hope you are having a great start to your week.--NØ 16:48, 22 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]


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