Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Werner Voss/archive1

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The article was archived by Buidhe via FACBot (talk) 11 March 2022 [1].

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Werner Voss

Nominator(s):Georgejdorner (talk) 06:23, 2 March 2022 (UTC)

I request the withdrawal of this nomination, as I have come to realize it is not yet ready. My apologies to Kavyansh.Singh and NikkiMaria for wasting their admirable talents fruitlessly because of me.23:27, 10 March 2022 (UTC)

This article is about...one of the leading flying aces of the Imperial German Air Service of the First World War, Werner Voss. Noted for his flying talent, marksmanship, and situational awareness, Voss scored 48 aerial victories before dying in a single-handed match against eight Royal Flying Corps aces in a dogfight still debated and discussed by aviation enthusiasts and historians. Georgejdorner (talk) 06:23, 2 March 2022 (UTC)

Accessibility review

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  • I do not understand this. My coding skills are strictly "monkey see, monkey do". That is, I learn by copying useful code. However, I have never faced this code before. With an example, I would copy it as needed.Georgejdorner (talk) 02:09, 6 March 2022 (UTC)
• Is there a reason why the table is not sortable?
  • Is there a useful reason why it should be sortable? I do not think the material leads itself to a useful sort.Georgejdorner (talk) 01:50, 6 March 2022 (UTC)
• In accordance with MOS:DTAB, the table needs caption. But since the section heading is already "Werner Voss's victories", the caption would be repetitive. So suggesting to use {{Sronly}}, by which, the caption would be visible to only those using screen-reader. So, all in all:

{| class="wikitable"

|-

becomes:

{| class="wikitable"

|+ {{Sronly|List of Werner Voss's victories}}

• • Copied in article.Georgejdorner (talk) 02:04, 6 March 2022 (UTC)
• The table needs col scopes. !No. becomes ! scope=col | No.
  • This English major has no idea what you mean.Georgejdorner (talk) 01:53, 6 March 2022 (UTC)
• I also don't think that "Doubled horizontal lines" is the best method for marking changes in squadron assignments. If you'd like to keep the table unsortable, better would be to merge all the cells of that row, put a background color, and write "change in squadron assignment" or whatever better wording. For example, see the 1976 and 2021 row of this list.

– Kavyansh.Singh (talk) 07:43, 5 March 2022 (UTC)

• • Deleted doubled lines for transfers. That info is available in text.Georgejdorner (talk) 01:58, 6 March 2022 (UTC)

Oppose at this time

• What makes the following high-quality reliable sources? Blue Max, Find-a-Grave, Let Let Let Warplanes, Outskirts Press, Cronyn, Hobby Helpers
  • Excellent question. Now that I've been recently schooled that accurate websites aren't necessarily reliable, I will go through this lot.
    • Blue Max:
    • Find-a-Grave:
    • Let Let Let Warplanes: Moved to External links. Cites deleted.
    • Outskirts Press:
    • Cronyn: Used per WP:SPS, only to verify he wrote these SPS memoirs.
    • Hobby Helpers: I'm not finding this one. Perhaps you could point it out.

      Under Further reading. Nikkimaria (talk) 13:45, 6 March 2022 (UTC)

      • So it's not actually a source. Nevertheless, it is deleted.Georgejdorner (talk) 20:04, 6 March 2022 (UTC)

        At the moment both Further reading and External links are subsections of References. If they're not intended as references, that shouldn't be. Nikkimaria (talk) 02:10, 7 March 2022 (UTC)

• Some of the details in the lead don't match up with what's in the article text. For example, the lead states that the medal was associated with a mandatory leave, while the text says it's only customary
  • It was mandatory that the ace take the customary leave. It was customary to send the ace on a mandatory leave. Where's the inconsistency?Georgejdorner (talk) 02:23, 6 March 2022 (UTC)
    • Customary and mandatory mean different things. If what you mean is that it was customary for a leave to be mandated, then let's say that in both places. Nikkimaria (talk) 03:20, 6 March 2022 (UTC)
      • Regulations made mandatory leaves customary. Nevertheless, I have addressed your quibble.Georgejdorner (talk) 20:57, 6 March 2022 (UTC)
• There are also inconsistencies within the text - for example it's sometimes Rhys Davids and sometimes Rhys-Davids
  • Remedied.Georgejdorner (talk) 02:14, 6 March 2022 (UTC)
    • Not remedied, and also only an example. Nikkimaria (talk) 02:10, 7 March 2022 (UTC)
• Also inconsistencies in citation formatting, eg whether publication location is included
  • Remedied.Georgejdorner (talk) 02:14, 6 March 2022 (UTC)
• Don't rely on wikilinks for basic definitions - eg WIA should be spelled out on first appearance rather than just linked
  • Missing in action, wounded in action, killed in action are all spelled in full and linked in first two lines of victory list. MIA, WIA, KIA are all linked on first usage as a means of introducing the unlinked abbreviations later on.Georgejdorner (talk) 02:38, 6 March 2022 (UTC)
• The article would benefit from a going-through for MOS edits
• "The dogfight remains a subject of debate and controversy among combat aviation historians and interested parties" - this could be expanded on. Nikkimaria (talk) 20:26, 5 March 2022 (UTC)
• Closing note: This candidate has been withdrawn, but there may be a delay in bot processing of the close. Please see WP:FAC/ar, and leave the {{featured article candidates}} template in place on the talk page until the bot goes through.

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