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The list was promoted by Hey man im josh via FACBot (talk) 00:25, 31 July 2024 (UTC) [1].[reply]

1924 Summer Olympics medal table

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Nominator(s): Arconning (talk) 12:55, 12 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Trying this out! This is a list about the medals earned by nations that competed at the 1924 Summer Olympics (and medals that aren't official anymore)! Waiting for some comments, and hope I can address them :P Arconning (talk) 12:55, 12 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Accessibility review (MOS:DTAB)

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  • Tables need captions, which allow screen reader software to jump straight to named tables without having to read out all of the text before it each time. The template that you are using for the table has a parameter to add the caption. If that caption would duplicate a nearby section header, you can make it screen-reader-only by putting {{sronly|caption_text}} instead. -MPGuy2824 (talk) 14:37, 12 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
MPGuy2824

...continuing

  • "17 sports across 23 different disciplines" - For my own knowledge, what's an example of a sport that spans multiple disciplines?
  • " 27 nations received at least one medal," - countries don't get the medal, their citizens do. See 1936 Summer Olympics medal table for how to rephrase this.
  • Art competitions section: A bit weird to start a new section with "Additionally,". Try "The 1924 Olympics also included art competitions...".
  • "Though medals in art competitions are no longer recognized by the IOC as part of the total medal count" - Don't start the sentence with "Though". Also, if you could give information on which other Games had these art competitions, it would be nice.
  • "In architecture, no gold medal was awarded while the silver was awarded to pair Alfréd Hajós, who became one of only two Olympians ever to have won medals in both sport (swimming) and art Olympic competitions, and Dezső Lauber of Hungary." - This is quite a complex sentence. Maybe you can mover the additional clause about Hajos' two medals to a new sentence.
  • "The medal count on the IOC website also includes medals from art competitions. The tables have been separated here."
  • footnote b isn't a full sentence and doesn't need a full stop."
  • footnote c: "This event is no longer recognized by the IOC as part of the total medal count."
  • "winning the men's 1500 metres event at the 1952 Summer Olympics" -MPGuy2824 (talk) 07:42, 13 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@MPGuy2824 Done for most of the comments. For the first comment, an example of a sport that spans multiple disciplines is aquatics which spans over diving, swimming, and water polo at these Games. For the second comment, I've replaced most of the instances besides the nations that earned their first gold/any medal, which I'm basing off 2020 Summer Olympics medal table, let me know if you have a problem with this one. Let me know if you have more comments. Arconning (talk) 10:22, 13 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for the info about this definition of disciplines. The definitions of "sport" and "discipline" were vice-versa in my mind. Support promotion. -MPGuy2824 (talk) 08:07, 16 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comments

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  • "Czechoslovakia won their nation's" - this doesn't really work grammatically, as it reads like Czechoslovakia owned itself. "The team from Czechoslovakia won their nation's" would work, though. Same for the following sentence.
  • "Is there any need to show the key as "Host nation (France)", given that the only entry in the table with this colour/symbol is France? I would think just showing the key as "Host nation" would be fine (relates to both tables)
  • Image caption: the word "pictured" in "Paavo Nurmi of Finland (pictured) won" is pretty redundant, as he's the only person in the photo so obviously he is the one pictured.
  • "World map showing the medal achievements of each country during the 1924 Summer Olympics." - this doesn't need a full stop
  • "Image caption: "Hajós at the 1896 Summer Olympics, where he" - show his full name
  • "painting, and sculpturing" - "sculpturing" is a pretty obscure word (indeed I had to double check that it was definitely a real word). I think "sculpture" would be better (here and further on in the section)
  • "architecture, literature, music, painting, and sculpturing [...] was a medal eligible event" - as the subject of the sentence is five distinct things, the verb should be plural. Also there should be a hyphen in "medal-eligible"
  • "a medal eligible event to competitors " - the words "to competitors" are redundant as obviously only competitors were eligible for medals
  • "was awarded to pair Alfréd Hajós and Dezső Lauber of Hungary" => "was awarded to the pair of Alfréd Hajós and Dezső Lauber of Hungary"
  • "the jury could not make a consensus to award medals for any of the competitors" => "the jury could not reach a consensus to award medals for any of the competitors"
  • Why does Greece have "(GRE)" in brackets in the second table? No other country has this.
  • Note c: "though is credited as a French competitor" => "but is credited as a French competitor"
  • That's what I got :-) -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 07:36, 15 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    @ChrisTheDude For the first comment, I reworded the first sentence with "Czechoslovakia's team won their nation's..." if that's okay with you, I've worded accordingly for the other sentences. For the second comment, FLs of medal tables include that so I included it to retain consistency. For the rest of the comments, I believe I'm done :) Arconning (talk) 15:16, 15 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support - personally I can't see the point of "Host nation (France)" in the key but I won't quibble over it..... -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 15:28, 15 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]


Hey man im josh

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Source review: Passed

  • Reliable enough for the information being cited
  • Consistent date formatting
  • Consistent and proper reference formatting
  • Appropriate wikilinks where applicable
  • Spot checks on 10 sources match what they are being cited for

Feedback:

  • Ref 4 – Can we do better than olympicgameswinners.com?
  • Ref 7 – Downcase to "Inside the Games"
  • Ref 9 – Add Associated Press as the agency
  • Ref 13 – When I visit the link it shows a publish date of February 26, 2024. Does it list the 27th for you, or was this a typo?
  • Ref 27 – I was hesitant, but they seem reliable enough for the information being verified.
  • Ref 26 – Well this confuses me. It looks like this has a date of 1896 to it, but that's clearly not correct given it speaks about 1924 in there.
  • Ref 22 – Is that a date of 22 October 2021 there? It's hard to tell with the date stuff on the Olympics website.
  • Ref 30 – There's a date of 26 July 1952, but I don't know if that's meant to be the publish date, but I feel like it's not. The date listed matches up with the final of Athletics at the 1952 Summer Olympics – Men's 1500 metres.

Great stuff. Please ping me when the issues above have been addressed. Hey man im josh (talk) 16:22, 17 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Hey man im josh For ref 4, most of the sources list down art competitions as part of the medal count for France and Finland, so this was the best source I could find that's reliable enough, and for the medalists I've replaced the source. For ref 13, it shows as 27 for me, probably moves to the users timezone (let me know if I have to replace this). For ref 26, it probably shows when Hajos' swimming event was held. For ref 30, same with the last comment, when event was held. For the rest, I'm done! Hope this works. Arconning (talk) 17:06, 17 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Arconning: I won't ask you to change the date if it adjusts based on timezone, I just wanted to verify that that was the case. What makes Olympic Games Winners a reliable source? It doesn't appear widely used a source. Perhaps you can cobble together a couple of different sources to replace the Olympic Games Winners source? If you can't you can't, but I think some would challenge the reliability of the site. Hey man im josh (talk) 17:18, 17 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Hey man im josh I amazingly found another source, it has now been replaced. Though the site places France second per the total medal count, hope this isn't a problem regarding this article uses golds first. Arconning (talk) 02:52, 18 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support. Hey man im josh (talk) 15:18, 18 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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