Wikipedia:Featured list candidates/1948 Summer Olympics medal table/archive1

The following is an archived discussion of a featured list nomination. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the article's talk page or in Wikipedia talk:Featured list candidates. No further edits should be made to this page.

The list was promoted by The Rambling Man 16:19, 27 September 2011 [1].

1948 Summer Olympics medal table

Featured list candidates/1948 Summer Olympics medal table/archive1

Nominator(s): Miyagawa (talk) 11:49, 28 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I am nominating this for featured list as the second part of my little project to upgrade the previous London Olympic articles prior to the 2012 games next year. I believe that the article is now on par with the other Olympic medal table FLs. Haven't been able to find an image of the actual 1948 medal, but the image added is from another games that uses the same design. Miyagawa (talk) 11:49, 28 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Resolved comments from — Bill william compton^Talk 08:47, 17 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

*Comments

~~Does UK need a hyperlink?~~

You're right, it was overlinked, so have removed it. Miyagawa (talk) 11:20, 29 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

~~In Ref1, why "The Organising Committee for the XIV Olympiad" is italicized?~~

It was slotted in the work section of the cite web template, have now moved it to publisher and removed the LA84 publisher as it was only the host. Miyagawa (talk) 11:20, 29 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

~~Full stops in captions.~~

Added. Miyagawa (talk) 11:20, 29 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

~~The info in the captions is not mentioned in the body of the article, so add citations with captions.~~

Added the cite to the first image, second image is now explained in main article text. Miyagawa (talk) 11:20, 29 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

~~At least mention the country represented by Cabrera (nationality), like Argentinian Delfo Cabrera....or Delfo Cabrera of Argentina.....~~

Done. Miyagawa (talk) 11:20, 29 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Employ web access requirements to fulfill WP:Access (see MOS:DTT).

I think I've put this in place now, but would appreciate if someone could check I've got it all. Having problems inserting a caption as the table is set up using a template which I'd have to edit to include a caption - has anyone got any alternatives? Miyagawa (talk) 16:33, 29 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Don't use template, last time I was in the same position. You should better check here.

Thanks, I've ended up taking the top off the medal table from 2010 Asian Para Games medal table, so I think it meets the Access requirements but someone more familiar with them might want to double check. Miyagawa (talk) 20:57, 14 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Looks good to this observer (and sometime deployer/reworker of wikitables in service of WP:ACCESS). — JohnFromPinckney (talk) 00:30, 15 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

scope="row" should be used for nation as it's a primary entry for each row, not the rank. — Bill william compton^Talk 04:54, 17 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Fixed - and I'm going to go back and check the last medal table I worked up as I'm sure this wasn't done there and I'd like to make sure it matches up. Miyagawa (talk) 08:16, 17 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

~~Why the number of silver medals is greater than gold or bronze?~~

Had to look into it, but added an extra paragraph to explain. Miyagawa (talk) 16:33, 29 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

~~Wouldn't be that para would look better in the "Medal table" section, because it clears the discrepancy in between medal categories.~~

Moved as suggested. Miyagawa (talk) 20:52, 14 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

~~Is the entity "country" or "nation"?~~

Corrected everything to nation as nation is included in the medal table template. Miyagawa (talk) 11:20, 29 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

~~Why there is no citation for medal table?~~

Added. Miyagawa (talk) 16:33, 29 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

~~Add "location" (place of publication) parameter in general ref.~~

Was already there as "Westport, Conn". Miyagawa (talk) 11:20, 29 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Don't you think Connecticut should be expanded?

Done. Miyagawa (talk) 16:33, 29 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

~~Remove space in between LA and 84 in LA84 Foundation.~~

Have since removed. Miyagawa (talk) 11:20, 29 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

~~"standard design used for the Olympic medals between 1928 and 1968", but image is of 1980 Olympics.~~

Now explained in article text. The obverse side was continued to be used until 2004 with the exception of 1992. Miyagawa (talk) 11:20, 29 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

— Bill william compton^Talk 12:45, 28 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Ok, I think I've covered each of the points you've raised. Thanks for your feedback! :) Miyagawa (talk) 16:33, 29 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Support – Fulfills the criteria. — Bill william compton^Talk 08:47, 17 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Contradiction:

Sorry to be contrarian, comrades, but since neither caption on the two images are sentences, neither of them should end with periods. See MOS:CAPTION. Regards, — JohnFromPinckney (talk) 11:05, 31 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Just to confirm, I've reverted it back to having no periods. Miyagawa (talk) 20:02, 6 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

And I'd like to confirm, in case it's not clear to all directors, that this nom shouldn't be held up because of my little quibble. I'm happy. — JohnFromPinckney (talk) 14:26, 17 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Resolved comments from The Rambling Man (talk) 23:08, 2 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Comments

Yep, JohnFromPinckney is right, neither caption needs a full stop.
Why link London if you don't link UK?
May consider BritEng dates, dmy rather than mdy. World War II -> Second World War.
"to have run the" -> to have hosted the.
" yet formed a National Olympic Committee," well they wouldn't form one, perhaps one each..
"to receive and invitation to complete" -> "an invitation to compete" perhaps?
" International Olympics Committee " link. Abbreviate. And don't link/expand afterwards.
"In comparison" -> "By comparison"
" from the games" you've called it Games previously and subsequently...
"twenty three " hyphenate.
Gymnastics -> gymnastics.
Link "pommel horse"

The Rambling Man (talk) 19:32, 31 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks, I've edited it to match your suggestions. Also linked men's vault, and realised that in the final paragraph of he first section I'd said "event" there times in three sentences, and so reduced that too. Miyagawa (talk) 07:43, 2 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Comments –

~~Don't need the comma in "in March, 1946."~~
~~In the second paragraph, the en dash in "twenty–three" should be a regular old hyphen.~~
~~Photo caption doesn't need Marathon capitalized.~~ Giants2008 (27 and counting) 00:16, 11 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks, fixed those points. Miyagawa (talk) 20:09, 11 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Support – Meets FL standards. Giants2008 (27 and counting) 23:02, 16 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Resolved comments from Parutakupiu (talk) 23:47, 20 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Comments:

~~"It was the first Olympic Games to take place for twelve years..." — "for" or "in"?~~
~~London was the host city, not a host venue.~~
~~"... hosted the the event in 1944." — Extra "the".~~
"... had not yet formed a National Olympic Committee each" — No need for the "each". It's understandable that it's one NOC for both countries. In alternative, you can say "... formed their National Olympic Committees".
~~Why such an extensive description of the medal design if it was in use since 1928 and would continue to be used for 20 years more?~~
~~The caption of the medal table is quite big and wraps unnecessarily. Try to simplify it: wouldn't just "List of medal-winning nations/NOCs" suffice?~~
~~Ref #10, which has the medal tables for all Summer Games, could become a general reference...~~
~~Any reason for the general reference link pointing to a specific page?~~

— Parutakupiu (talk) 22:22, 17 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Have changed those points as suggested. Also moved #10 to the general refs, and fixed the book link so that it links to the index on google books rather than a specific page. Miyagawa (talk) 20:17, 19 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

~~What about the description of the medal? I just think it takes quite a chunk of the lead and it's not even than relevant for the page in question. Parutakupiu (talk) 21:38, 19 September 2011 (UTC)~~[reply]

I've reduced it down to just a mention of the medals, with a citation being moved to the image caption to cover why the image is of a medal not in that range. Miyagawa (talk) 12:25, 20 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Support. Parutakupiu (talk) 23:47, 20 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Comments

Several links fail Wikipedia:Links#Link clarity in that their target articles were not obvious, but this seems to have been ignored for similar FLs.

Changed the link to the 1944 Summer Olympics from just "1944" to "event in 1944" to make it clearer.Miyagawa (talk) 22:14, 20 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Some context would be nice - is second a good result for Sweden? Highest ever? Did any countries win their first medals? Which countries failed to achieve any?

violet/riga _^[talk] 18:30, 20 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Second wouldn't have been anything special for Sweden at the time - they'd been around the top for a while, and had previously been second on two occasions in 1912 and 1920. Regarding the other countries, some 25 countries didn't win medals. I can't find anything specific which states which countries won their first medal there. However, I did find a story about the delay in awarding the gold medals to the Belgian team cycling team. Miyagawa (talk) 22:14, 20 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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