Wikipedia:Featured list candidates/1968 Summer Paralympics medal table/archive1

The following is an archived discussion of a featured list nomination. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the article's talk page or in Wikipedia talk:Featured list candidates. No further edits should be made to this page.

The list was promoted by Dabomb87 16:23, 6 June 2011 [1].

1968 Summer Paralympics medal table

Featured list candidates/1968 Summer Paralympics medal table/archive1

Nominator(s): Basement12 (T.C) 00:56, 13 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

The article is based on similar Olympic and Paralympic articles that already have FL status (e.g. 1, 2) and I believe meets (or very nearly meets) the criteria - Basement12 (T.C) 00:56, 13 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Comments

The general reference and reference 1 and 6 need an ndash

External link should be in citeweb format

The lead doesn't give a background on what the Paralympics are; a sentence or two about the Paralympics should be added. Albacore (talk) 22:24, 13 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Comments: ~~The lead is a bit thin and could do with a bit of an expansion per Albacore.~~ If the list wasn't 22 nations I'd almost suggest it'd be merge-able back to its parent article, but I think 22 items is long enough for a stand alone list. Strange Passerby (talk • cont) 01:58, 15 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- Thanks for addressing. Support. Strange Passerby (talk • cont) 11:00, 1 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Resolved comments from Arsenikk ^(talk) 21:25, 19 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

;Comments:

The paragraphs in the lead are very short, particularly the first two.
I agree with the above that the lead would be better if longer.
In such a short article, 'National Paralympic Committee' only needs to be linked once.
'Track and field' and 'athletics' are not the same (the former is part of the latter). Any reason 'athletics' links to 'track and field' rather than 'athletics (sport)'?
The general ref and refs 1 and 6 need endashes.
File:Paralympic certificate.jpg is not a free image, as the copyright is held by the organizers of the event. It has been uploaded to the Commons under what seems to be a fake license. I have nominated it for speedy deletion there, and it should also be removed from this article unless it can be proven that it has either been released by a free license, or that it can be used under appropriate fair use (either of which I doubt is possible).
Article is categorized in Category:1968 Summer Paralympics, and does not need to be in Category:Sports festivals in Israel, as it is indirectly categorized there.
Why is the article in Category:1968 in Canada?

Otherwise looks good. Arsenikk ^(talk) 18:18, 15 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Support Arsenikk ^(talk) 21:25, 19 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I've made most of the changes suggested by the three of you and expanded the lead to include basic information on the Paralympics. The link goes to track and field as there were no athletics events that would not be considered track and field (no road race/walking/cross-country etc) - Basement12 (T.C) 19:26, 15 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Resolved comments from Courcelles 14:03, 18 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]
*Oppose All but one of the items in the actual list is a redlink, which means this fails 5a. I'm usually fairly lax on this criteria, but one blue link out of 22 is just too few. Will be happy to revisit if someone goes on a stub-creation spree. Courcelles 19:26, 17 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Resolved comments from The Rambling Man (talk) 19:58, 22 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Comments

I'm sure it's been mentioned before, but a lead image would be great.
"are an international multi-sport event " .. "are ... an event" reads odd to me.
"compete and ..." compete against one another?
"the most gold medals, with 33, and most total medals, with 99" -> perhaps "most golds, with 33, and most in total, with 99" to avoid three-peating "medals".
"won a total of 62 medals" don't think you need "a total of" here (repeats total from previous line).
You link various sports in the table section but not in the lead, why?
"represented by a National Paralympic Committee" already abbreviated this, so just "NPC" would be fine.
When sorting by gold in descending order, why would Netherlands (12 g, 4 s) rank ahead of West Germany (12 g, 4s)? Similar for Canada/Rhodesia.
Ref 4 could use a page number (p 93 I think, not 94 as Google suggests).

The Rambling Man (talk) 12:33, 21 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for your suggestions. An image would be great—the one we had previously was deleted from commons as it was unloaded on an incorrect license— but I can't find a freely available one and don't know if File:Tel Aviv 1968 Paralympics.jpg could be used under fair-use? Personally I think "are an international multi-sport event" is ok, similar wording is used at Olympic Games which got through FA criteria (it would be different if refering to a single Paralympic Games). All the "sports" (athletics etc) are linked, it's the individual events (discus etc) that aren't. I've made the other changes; ~~you're right on the sorting issue but I can't yet work out how to fix it, similar problems seem to exist in a lot of the Olympic medal tables article. I'll try and work it out~~ - Basement12 (T.C) 22:39, 21 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I've struck out my reply on the sorting as I don't think it really matters - when doing that you are intentionally sorting by gold only, all nations on the same amount are equal regardless of silver/bronze medals so the order in which they appear bears no significance. Thoughts? - Basement12 (T.C) 22:47, 21 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I think the sorting needs to be sorted. May need some clever use of the {{sort}} template though. The Rambling Man (talk) 10:09, 22 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Think I've found a way around it using {{Hs}} and a hidden alphabetical sort key for every item in the table. It's a bit fiddly and might not have been the easiest way but it seems to do the job - Basement12 (T.C) 11:54, 22 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Comment – The opening is similar to the "This is a list of" beginnings that have been discouraged at FLC for a while now. Some of the recently promoted medal table FLs have openings like what you'd find in the main articles on their respective events, and I think these work well and are an improvement. Giants2008 (27 and counting) 21:25, 22 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I've moved the "is a list of..." to the end of the first paragraph, I believe it still needs to be included somewhere in the lead as it explains the ranking by gold medal total. Basement12 (T.C) 21:56, 22 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Support – everything looks great. Just a note would look better before table for sorting the rows. I've done it for you already [2]. — Bill william compton^Talk 02:01, 31 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Support solid list. Albacore (talk) 00:02, 2 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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