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The following is an archived discussion of a featured list nomination. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the article's talk page or in Wikipedia talk:Featured list candidates. No further edits should be made to this page.

The list was promoted by The Rambling Man 12:08, 29 August 2009 [1].

2007 NBA Draft

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Nominator(s): Martin tamb (talk) 07:54, 9 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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I have been working on this list by following the 2008 NBA Draft which already a featured list. I think this list already meets the FL criterias and ready to be nominated. I would be glad to address any concerns about this list. Thanks! — Martin tamb (talk) 07:54, 9 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I would like to raise an issue with the Notable undrafted players section. In the FLC review for the 2008 NBA Draft article, the section was removed because it is out of scope and the inclusion criteria is not clear. I personally prefer to remove the section, but since the older NBA Draft FLs have it, I decided to leave it to be reviewed. Please comments on this issue in the review. Thanks! — Martin tamb (talk) 05:32, 15 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

  1. "and was broadcast in the United States on ESPN. " should be "broadcasted"
    "broadcast" is correct grammar. It is an irregular verb. Dabomb87 (talk) 22:04, 12 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  2. "Florida, the 2007 NCAA Basketball National Champions also tied the record set by the University of Connecticut in 2006 with five players selected in the first two rounds of the draft." A comma after Champions is needed.
Done — Martin tamb (talk) 08:56, 13 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Support, all issues resolved. Dabomb87 (talk) 16:13, 19 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Resolved issues, Dabomb87 (talk)
Comments from Dabomb87 (talk · contribs)
  • No need to link United States, and New York City is a dubious link, too.
  • "NBA" needs to be spelled out on its first appearance.
  • "However, he missed the entire 2007–08 season" "entire" is unnecessary.
  • "the first freshmen ever to be selected"
  • "The 2007 Draft also marked the first time three players" Remove "also".
  • "2007 NCAA Basketball National Champions, also tied the record" "NCAA" needs to be spelled out and remove "also".
  • "Florida joined nine other schools, including Connecticut, who had five players selected in a single draft, " "who"-->that
  • "second only to the University of Las Vegas, Nevada, who had six players selected" "who"-->which
  • "Another record was set when eight freshmen were drafted, all of them were in the first-round."-->Another record was set when eight freshmen were drafted; all of them were taken in the first round.
  • "Out of the 60 players drafted" Remove "out".
  • "collective bargaining agreement" probably needs a link.
  • "while 46 players who had previously declared as early entry candidates have withdrawn from the draft." "have"--had
  • "The first fourteen picks-->The first 14 picks
  • "that had missed the playoffs, with the order determined through a lottery."-->that had missed the playoffs; the order was determined through a lottery.
  • "seventh worst record"-->seventh-worst record
  • "fifth worst"-->fifth-worst
  • "fourth worst"-->fourth-worst
  • "Three teams who had the three worst records and the best chance to obtain the top three picks, the Memphis Grizzlies, the Boston Celtics and the Milwaukee Bucks obtained the fourth, fifth and sixth pick respectively, the lowest possible picks they could be awarded through the lottery." This sentence doesn't make sense.
  • "The last time that the three worst teams were all dropped out from the top three picks was in 1993."-->The most recent draft in which the three worst teams did not receive the top three picks was in 1993.
  • Don't use bold to denote something per WP:MOSBOLD.
  • Don't superscript ordinals.
  • Can you put centered em dashes in the blank cells of the lottery table?

I still need to look through the actual draft and trade notes. Dabomb87 (talk) 15:15, 14 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I have fixed all the issues you addressed. — Martin tamb (talk) 17:50, 14 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]


Done—Chris! ct 00:28, 12 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Now it links to the wrong article. Twelfth grade is not the same thing as a senior in college. Dabomb87 (talk) 01:18, 12 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Oh, you are right. I wasn't thinking straight.—Chris! ct 01:27, 12 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Done—Chris! ct 02:10, 12 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

More comments The rest of the article looks good; I spot-checked claims with sources and no inaccuracies turned up. Two things left:

  • A couple trade notes have two sentences start with "Previously" in consecutive sentences. Could you mix it up please?
  • For the international picks, you have the name of the club they played for, and then a year. Where does the year come from? For example, from Marc Gasol, there is "Akasvayu Girona (Spain) 1985". Dabomb87 (talk) 04:04, 17 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • I've mixed "previously" with "earlier" and "beforehand".
  • The birth year is there because the early-entry candidates list from NBA.com used that as player's status for international players instead of fr/so/jr/sr. I guess it is used to help readers see whether the draftee is an early entry player or an automatically eligible player. I could remove them if you think it's excessive and unclear.
— Martin tamb (talk) 04:22, 17 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Done — Martin tamb (talk) 08:16, 19 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Sources look good. Dabomb87 (talk) 16:13, 19 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Note FLC is currently short of reviewers; please consider reviewing one or more on the nomination list if you have not already (this message is being posted to all running FLCs). Dabomb87 (talk) 23:21, 14 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Resolved comments from Truco
Comments from Truco (talk · contribs)
General
  • Dabs and external links check out fine.
  • The images need alternate text.
Alt text done — Martin tamb (talk) 07:16, 15 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Lead
  • Al Horford, the son of former NBA player Tito Horford was drafted third by the Atlanta Hawks.[6] -- Comma after Tito's name
Fixed — Martin tamb (talk) 05:23, 15 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Lottery
  • Why not just rename this section Draft Lottery?
  • The Portland Trail Blazers, which had the seventh-worst record in the previous season, won the lottery with just 5.3% chance to win. -- No need for another link to the Blazers
  • The Seattle SuperSonics, which had the fifth-worst record, and the Atlanta Hawks, which had the fourth-worst record, obtained the second and third pick respectively. -- Same here with the link of the SuperSonics
  • Three teams who had the worst records, the Memphis Grizzlies, the Boston Celtics and the Milwaukee Bucks, obtained the fourth, fifth and sixth pick respectively. -- This would be better formatted as Three teams who had the worst records—the Memphis Grizzlies, the Boston Celtics and the Milwaukee Bucks—obtained the fourth, fifth and sixth pick respectively.
Fixed — Martin tamb (talk) 05:23, 15 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Key
  • This doesn't need its own section, you can just place a semicolon next to the word Key under the First round heading.
Fixed — Martin tamb (talk) 05:23, 15 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Notable undrafted players
  • The following players, who were eligible for the draft but went undrafted, have earned a full-year contract with the NBA teams for the 2007–08 NBA season. -- This should be in past tense.
Fixed — Martin tamb (talk) 05:23, 15 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Draft-day trades
  • Be consistent with the names, such as spelling out the entire names of the teams or just listing the location of the franchise (San Antonio Spurs preferred over simply San Antonio or vise versa), and stating it as the Portland Trail Blazers, like it is in the prose.
Fixed the note j which uses the full franchise name. Note that I prefer to use just the location for this section (except for L.A.), because adding the full franchise name would make the trades section longer and harder to read. But if you suggest that the full franchise name should be used, I'd be happy to fix them all. — Martin tamb (talk) 05:23, 15 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Pre-draft trades
  • I don't see the need to link to the franchises in this section nor the draft-day trades section because they are already linked in the table from which they are noted from, and its just overlinking the teams.
Fixed — Martin tamb (talk) 05:23, 15 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Resolved comments from Giants2008 (17–14) 15:17, 20 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Comments –
  • "Apart from those two trades, nine further draft-day trades were also announced." The change makes it less wordy.
  • De-capitalize Champion for Florida.
  • "Five players who played in the 2007 NCAA Basketball National Championship Final were selected in the top 10". First part of this has a glaring redundancy with "players" and "played". Please change one of them to provide more variety.
  • "and two players came from the runner-up, the Ohio State University." Does anyone outside Ohio who wasn't an alumnus really call it "the Ohio State University"? Even if so, "the" is just another unneeded word.
  • Draft Lottery: "won the lottery with just 5.3% chance to win." Missing "a".
  • There are a bunch of "which"s after team names that should be "who"s.
  • "These picks were the lowest possible picks they could obtained through the lottery." Use of "picks" is redundant, and add "have" before "obtained".
  • I'm not in love with the idea of a "Notable players" section. What is the standard for determining who gets listed there? If it's time in the NBA, why is the section apparently not updated through 2008–09?
  • What makes http://draftday.nbadraft.net/ a reliable source?
  • What makes http://www.prosportstransactions.com/ a reliable source? Giants2008 (17–14) 19:25, 16 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • I've fixed most of them.
  • About "Notable undrafted" section: As I said on the top, I also does not like the idea of "notable" and they are also out of the scope of the draft. Hence, I have removed the section, similar to the 2008 NBA Draft which is also an FL.
  • About those 2 references: I agree that they aren't really reliable sources, but the individual references on the trade sometimes does not explain which draft pick has been traded, while these two pages explain which trade affects this year's draft. They were also supported by the individual trade references that I made after each trade details. The www.nbadraft.net also includes the links to NBA.com pages which has the trade details. However, if these two references aren't really needed, I could removed them.
— Martin tamb (talk) 20:25, 16 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Support – A worthy list now that the comments from everyone have been addressed. Giants2008 (17–14) 15:17, 20 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Resolved comments from Crzycheetah
  • Comments
    • "they could obtained"→ "they could have obtained"
    • The lottery results are rounded to three decimal points in this page, but the reference doesn't round it to 3 decimals. I think it's WP:OR to show .357 instead of .36.
    • In note "r", it says "Phoenix acquired 2006 and 2007 first-round draft picks", but Phoenix did not acquire a 2007 first-round pick.
    • In note "l", the word "exchange is used twice, I suggest the first "exchange" change to "swap". Same change is needed in the second part of the "w" note.
    • Note "3" in the lottery section says that "Pick would be conveyed to Atlanta Hawks if it was not in the top ten". That pick was conveyed to the Hawks. I believe you wanted to say something else.
    • I clicked on note "a" next to Glen Davis, then read the note and wanted to get back to Glen Davis, but when I clicked on "a", it took me to Jeff Green. I suggest to add the second link for note "a' in the trades section. Take a look at note "b" in the List of Denver Broncos first-round draft picks for an example of what I mean. There are many notes that are used multiple times in the tables with only one link in the trades section.
    • Same with note "b". Also in note "b", it shows "...the draft rights to to 36th pick". I don't know what to do to get rid of the second "to", I am just letting you know.
    • In note "d", "The" is doubled, as well. Weird!
    • "Denver used the 21st and 30th picks to draft Daequan Cook and Petteri Koponen" - Just add the word "respectively" at the end.
    • Current ref#5 should have "The Washington Post" in italics just like in the ref#70 "The New York Times" is.
    • I also doubt nbadraft.net and prosportstransactions.com are reliable

--Crzycheetah 21:04, 16 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Fix the ref, fix the notes, deleted the 2 unreliable sources, found a source for the lottery probablities. — Martin tamb (talk) 22:00, 16 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Resolved comments from SRE.K.A.L.24

Comments from -- SRE.K.A.L.24[c]

  • "...and was broadcast in the United States on ESPN." Why not also include the Canadian broadcaster?
  • "...the same school, the University of Florida." ", the" --> ", which was the".
  • "...Florida, the 2007 National Collegiate Athletic Association (NCAA) Basketball champion..." "champion" --> "champions".
    • "Florida" here is being referred to as a single team rather than many individuals. The grammar is correct as is. Dabomb87 (talk) 02:11, 24 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
      • Just read the sentence slowly; which is correct: The Lakers were the 2009 NBA champions or The Lakers were the 2009 NBA champion?
        • Right, but here, we're using Florida, not the "Gators". You wouldn't say Los Angeles were (in US English, which is what this article is using). Dabomb87 (talk) 02:31, 24 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
          • I'll use the sentence directly from the article. Florida, the 2007 [NCAA] Basketball champions or Florida, the 2007 [NCAA] Basketball champion? Ehh...I wouldn't not support because of this, but I just want to make sure which one is right. :p -- [[SRE.K.A.L.|L.A.K.ERS]] 02:49, 24 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • "Another record was set when eight freshmen were drafted; all of them were taken in the first round." What was the record?
  • In the whole article, "college basketball" should refer to "U.S. college basketball", as there are other colleges around the world that have a basketball program.
  • In the "School/club team" column, one is like this: Mega Ishrana (Serbia) 1985, while all the others are like this: Beijing Olympians (ABA) (born 1985).
  • I'm going to suggest to WP:NBA if we can merge all the rounds into one table, so that the readers can sort the whole draft, instead of sorting just one round. If the readers want to sort by one round, they could just do that by sorting the rounds, then choose whichever column they want to sort.

-- [[SRE.K.A.L.|L.A.K.ERS]] 03:10, 23 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Fixed them all, hopefully. Good idea about the separate rounds merged into a single table, will support that. — Martin tamb (talk) 15:51, 24 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
reference #15 was published before the draft, and does not reference the sentence which it is citing. -- [[SRE.K.A.L.|L.A.K.ERS]] 16:27, 24 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
It was published after the 2007 draft and before the 2008 draft and it mentioned that "A year ago, a record eight freshmen were picked in the first round." I'll try to find another better reference, but as far I remember, I think this is the best I can find when I work on the citation a few weeks ago. — Martin tamb (talk) 16:41, 24 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Anyway, I found an inaccuracies in the sentence. Fixed that also. Thanks for noticing and making me re-check the reference. — Martin tamb (talk) 16:49, 24 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Laugh out loud. My bad for not checking the reference year. -- [[SRE.K.A.L.|L.A.K.ERS]] 16:51, 24 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Support Read comment in the box. Nice list overall. -- [[SRE.K.A.L.|L.A.K.ERS]] 16:51, 24 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Well, the 2007 draft was two years ago, I guess the blame is on me for nominating this list two years late. Thanks for the reviews. — Martin tamb (talk) 16:57, 24 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Well, there is no due date, so ehh...just in case you don't watchlist WT:NBA, I suggested the merging all tables into one suggestion. -- [[SRE.K.A.L.|L.A.K.ERS]] 17:03, 24 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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