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The list was promoted by The Rambling Man 12:44, 14 December 2010 [1].

30 Rock (season 4)

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Nominator(s):  ThinkBlue  (Hit BLUE), Staxringold talkcontribs, and Courcelles 22:16, 16 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Behind schedule and over budget, this is the nomination for the fourth season of 30 Rock, hopefully just squeaking in time to save the FT. Courcelles 22:16, 16 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Resolved comments from Jujutacular talk 23:34, 16 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Comments
  • "8.4 out of 10 rating, noting it was "Impressive" and..." - any reason 'impressive' is in caps?
  • I see the reflist specifies two columns, but I it only appears as one for me (I'm on Mac / Firefox). When I click 'edit' and 'preview' I see two, but not in normal view. Is there a fix?

Jujutacular talk 22:49, 16 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

First one fixed. I tried something on the refs, but on Windows/Firefox it made no difference. I've no access to a Mac, so I've no idea what you're seeing, but maybe it fixed the problem. However, per usual, the columns doesn't work when I try in IE. (And there is no fixing that.) Courcelles 23:02, 16 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
That seems to have fixed it, thanks! Jujutacular talk 23:17, 16 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Resolved comments from The Rambling Man (talk) 19:58, 18 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Comments good luck with the FT save!
  • Infobox image caption is a complete sentence so needs a period.
  • Crew section - do you need to repeat first names of producers (for instance) that you've already mentioned, e.g. John Riggi's second mention could simply be Riggi, right? There seems to be quite a lot of this sort of repetition. It's not a mandate, but usually once we've mentioned someone unambiguously, we go with surnames thereon after....
  • "deemed "Season 4" as " mildly confusing, perhaps "deemed the first episode of the season, "Season 4" as..."?
  • "6.684 million" and " 4.216 million " seems unnaturally accurate for me. That's down to the thousands. I'm sure viewing figures aren't that accurate. In the UK we don't go much beyond the nearest 10,000 and that's with a population that's a sixth as much as the US.
  • Well, the source does go that deep, but it doesn't match the rest of the numbers, so rounded it off to one decimal to match the rest. Courcelles
  • "the United Kingdom (UK)" do you really need to abbreviate this?
  • "personal relationships due to a relationship-advice" not the greatest with such a quick repeat of "relationship".
  • "Jack becomes infected with bedbugs " do people really become infected with bed bugs?
  • Changed to "inflicted" as they're not technically an infection, you're right. Courcelles
  • You link elitist, but not "carbon footprint" for example. What's the general approach here?
  • Do you really believe that you need to link Christmas?
  • Perhaps add (EGOT) after the explanation.
  • I don't think you need 30 Rock as a category since 30 Rock episodes is obviously a better cat and a subcat of 30 Rock.

The Rambling Man (talk) 17:21, 18 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the comments, I've responded to all of them. Courcelles 19:53, 18 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment: "The next couple of weeks the episodes would decrease its ratings, until the season's eighth episode—"Secret Santa"—was the highest-rated episode of the season with 7.5 million viewers." which was the. Only issue I found, once fixed I'll support. Wizardman Operation Big Bear 16:52, 26 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Done. --  ThinkBlue  (Hit BLUE) 16:58, 26 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Support. Wizardman Operation Big Bear 17:11, 26 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Comments –

  • Cast: "the NBC network executive Jack Donaghy. Donaghy's...". Try to avoid having repetition like this from the end of one sentence to the start of another.
  • "and Damn Yankees, the latter that starred Jane Krakowski." Don't like the construction of this bit. How about "and Damn Yankees; the latter starred Jane Krakowski." The "that" is really the problem in the original.
  • Ratings: I still see "The next couple of weeks the episodes would decrease its ratings". I don't think this is fixed at all, and it's not of the standard that FLs should be at.
  • Awards and nominations: "Alec Baldwin won up his second Golden Globe Award...". What is "up" doing here?
  • Missing word in "including fourth consecutive nomination for Outstanding Comedy Series".
  • Distribution: The Comedy Central link goes to the U.S. station, not the U.K. one, as seems to be the intention.
  • Episode 7: "and appoints Frank the head writer, who enjoys...". The "who enjoys" part is meant to be about Frank, and "the head writer" is getting in the way somewhat. I'd recommend moving it before Frank somehow, leaving the name directly before the comma.
  • Episode 8: "and a woman Jack had feeling for while in high school." Normally it would be "feelings", right?
  • Episode 9: "Jack decides to break into her into her house...". Get rid of the repeating.
  • Episode 17: "Liz forces herself to attend as many singles events...". I don't understand this. As many as who? Or as many as possible?
  • Episode 20: "by having the moms of its cast and staff arrive and to participate in the Mother's Day themed episode." To me, it reads better without the "to".
  • Reference 41 needs a PDF designation, like the one ref 38 has. Giants2008 (27 and counting) 19:40, 26 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: The summaries are way too short. They should each be at least a couple hundred words. Ωphois 00:44, 27 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

A couple hundred words? That would fail the NFCC by a country mile. Given that each episode has its own article, with a plot section that is around 300-400 words, the list keeps the plot information short. See WP:TVPLOT, and compare with teh prior two seasons. The plot summary is a derivative work of the show itself, even though written by us, and it is limited by the NFCC to absolutely no more than necessary. (And, let's face it, these aren't hard episodes to understand... more detail is readily available in each episode's article, where a better NFCC case can be made for including it.) Courcelles 03:13, 27 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]
The guideline you recommended still says a plot for lists such as this should at least be 100 words. Take "Audition Day", for example. The summary is: "Liz and Pete attempt to rig the TGS auditions to guarantee that their preferred candidate (Nick Fondulis) will be selected by Jack. Meanwhile, Jack becomes inflicted with bedbugs and learns a valuable lesson about humanity as most of the cast ostracises him." This reads more like an advertisement than an encyclopedic summary. Simple details such as what lesson did he learn and the outcome of each sublplot need to be included. Ωphois 17:45, 29 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I've asked ThinkBlue to look at this, as she wrote the episode articles. Courcelles 02:56, 29 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Sorry about that, been busy. I'll expand the episode summaries tomorrow. --  ThinkBlue  (Hit BLUE) 01:37, 30 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I've looked over the changes so far. While I appreciate the effort, I'm sorry to say that some parts are poorly written. For example, from summaries randomly chosen:
"Problem Solvers": "Jack offers Liz a chance to create a television pilot based on her "Dealbreakers" sketch but after Jenna and Tracy convince her to explore all of her options first Liz hires an agent." and "From his arrival, Danny treats Kenneth politely and does not ask him to run any errands for him which leads Tracy and Jenna to question their demanding ways resulting in the two asking less of Kenneth which upsets him."
"Stone Mountain": "Liz objects, nonetheless decides to see Wayne and heckle him." and "Meanwhile, after two other celebrities die Tracy fears for his life when he hears that celebrities tend to die in groups of three. Tracy fears for his life but he is relieved when he learns that Pumpkin "died"."
"Season 4" has multiple grammar issues throughout it.
Sorry, but I must Oppose until the summaries have been properly copyedited. Ωphois 21:35, 5 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]
These have now received two separate copy-edits. Courcelles 05:10, 14 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Still some minor issues, but I think you've cleaned it up enough. Ωphois 05:25, 14 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]


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