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Charlotte Hornets draft history

Featured list candidates/Charlotte Hornets draft history/archive1

Nominator(s): Cheetah (talk) 06:15, 18 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I am nominating this for featured list because it meets the FL criteria. I have worked on similar lists before, some became featured. This list includes some part of the FL I worked on more than 8 years ago. All comments/suggestions/questions are welcome and will be dealt with. Cheetah (talk) 06:15, 18 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Comments from Famous Hobo

Resolved

It's a shame this hasn't gotten any attention yet. Anyway, as a sports fan in general, I'll take a look at the list.

Is it possible to have lead picture be of a play wearing a Hornets jersey. It looks weird seeing as how the lead picture has Mourning in a Heat jersey, aka not the team discussed in the article. Try Kemba Walker, Michael Kidd-Gilchrist, or Jeffery Taylor
"Two years after the Hornets' departure, the Charlotte Bobcats were established in 2004 as the NBA's 30th team." Why is it important to mention they are the NBA's 30th team? You didn't mention how many teams were in the NBA in 1988, but even so, it's a meaningless statement to the list about the draft picks.
"The franchise's name was changed back to the Hornets at the conclusion of the 2013–14 season – one year after the team in Louisiana renamed itself the New Orleans Pelicans." Link 2013–14 NBA season. Also, why the dash? A simple comma would do the trick, as the dash kind of looks out of place.
"The franchise's history and records while in Charlotte would also be returned to its original city." This sentence really makes no sense to me. Which team is this sentence talking about, the Hornets/Pelicans, or the Bobcats/Hornets?
"In 1989, the NBA agreed with the National Basketball Players' Association to reduce drafts to two rounds, an arrangement that has remained the same up the present time." Link National Basketball Players Association, and remove the apostrophe after Players
"Bryant finished his career as ... an eleven-time all-NBA first team..." Link All-NBA Team
"Okafor was the only Bobcat voted to the NBA All-Rookie First Team." Source?
Why not just combine the Key and Selections sections into one section? Something along the lines of NBA All-Star Game Most Valuable Player Award.
Perhaps use 30em instead of 50em for the notes section. It separates all the notes into two sections, which is much cleaner than one long list

Good list, just needs some improvements here and there. Would you mind returning the favor and reviewing my FLC? Famous Hobo (talk) 05:04, 17 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]

- Thanks for the review, Famous Hobo! I believe I dealt with your comments. Could you please take a second look? --Cheetah (talk) 22:09, 17 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Alright, even looks good. I'll Support, but note that I don't know too much about properly formatting tables and such. So you might have some other editors point out some mistakes in the format of the table, but regardless, I don't think the lead should give you too much trouble anymore. Famous Hobo (talk) 18:23, 18 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Comments

No idea what an "unprotected player" is, needs linking or notes.
- 1988 NBA Expansion Draft is linked, if anyone needs further information.--Cheetah (talk) 07:19, 5 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  - Not good enough, if I don't even know what one is, how do I know what to click to find out more about it? The Rambling Man (talk) 07:24, 5 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
    - Ok, it's linked separately.--Cheetah (talk) 07:30, 5 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
      - I'm afraid that still doesn't tell me what an "unprotected" player is. The Rambling Man (talk) 07:38, 5 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
        It is a player who is not protected, I just added a Wiktionary link.--Cheetah (talk) 07:48, 5 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
        That's not any clearer in the context of an "unprotected player" in a draft situation I'm afraid. The Rambling Man (talk) 10:56, 21 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
First image caption links the specific draft, the second image caption does not link the specific draft.
- Fixed.
Interesting choice of when to and when not to link countries. What makes "Sweden" more exotic than "France"? I'd link 'em all, or not link any of them.
- There are some weird edits happening throughout Wikipedia of unlinking some country links. Anyway, I unlinked all of them.
Club Team -> Club team.
- Fixed.
Sort by Draft then by Round, it's a complete mystery what order it's in... I would expect Pick to be the secondary sort...
- This page and all similar ones are always sorted by draft, then by round. What mystery do you see in that?--Cheetah (talk) 07:19, 5 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  - Do the sort in the order I suggest. What is the resulting sort supposed to be? Perhaps it's a browser issue, but on Chrome the sort results are somewhat... random. The Rambling Man (talk) 07:24, 5 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
    - It is sorted as you suggest. By draft first, then if the draft year is same, then by round.--Cheetah (talk) 07:30, 5 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
MOS:HASH suggests avoiding the use of the hash character to mean number, several instances of this in the Notes.
- Fixed.
Check all publishers/works are correctly formatted, e.g. ref 36 The Charlotte Observer should be in italics.
- The Charlotte Observer actually published the news, but I changed it to "work" to make it italics. There's no logic in publishers/works formatting because most of the links have the same publishers/works.--Cheetah (talk) 07:19, 5 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Refs 14 through 17 use the same ref, just different page numbers, so use a general ref for the URL and just put page number refs in the article.

That's it for a quick once-over. The Rambling Man (talk) 21:17, 4 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Comments by Grondemar

* I don't think the key meets our standards for accessibility. Based on past experience, I recommend removing the key and directly linking the positions in each cell in the table (see List of Connecticut Huskies in the WNBA Draft for an example).

- Removed--Cheetah (talk) 07:41, 12 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

* To resolve The Rambling Man's issue with sorting by overall pick number, I recommend adding a column "Overall" that shows that information.

- Are you sure it was his concern? He said, "I would expect Pick to be the secondary sort". Key word is secondary.--Cheetah (talk) 07:41, 12 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
I'd recommend switching the Position and Nationality columns, since Nationality and School/Club team are more closely associated with each other.

* Is the table header "Charlotte Hornets draft picks" really necessary? It's essentially the same as the article title.

- It's required by MOS:DTT, what else would you recommend?--Cheetah (talk) 07:41, 12 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  - I reviewed the MOS and there seemed to be questionable consensus for that requirement on the talk page. That argument can be had later however. –Grondemar 03:55, 19 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
I find the transaction descriptors next to the player names distracting and confusing. For example: "from Team A" or "from Team A via Team B, traded to Team C via Team D". Is it possible to consolidate this information in the Notes section? Perhaps some kind of color-coding or italics could be used to distinguish the players drafted by the Hornets/Bobcats that never played for the team.

* Minor comment on the article title: would List of Charlotte Hornets draft picks be better? Draft history implies to be a longer article with a narrative of why the Hornets/Bobcats selected certain players in certain years, and how the picks turned out.

- That's a big change and should get a consensus at WT:NBA since there are 28 more lists like this.--Cheetah (talk) 07:41, 12 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  - Agreed, reasonable enough. –Grondemar 03:55, 19 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
I feel like the lead needs one more paragraph at the very start. It should read something like: "The Charlotte Hornets have selected XX players in the NBA Draft. YY of ZZ picks were with their own picks; the other AA selections were made with picks acquired through trade with other NBA teams. The Hornets, including their time known as the Charlotte Bobcats, have made BB first-round draft picks, CC top-ten picks, and one first-overall pick, Larry Johnson."

Note I highly support your choice of pictures in this article. :-) –Grondemar 19:23, 11 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I struck the resolved concerns. Regretful oppose until the other concerns are at least addressed. –Grondemar 03:55, 19 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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