Wikipedia:Featured list candidates/Euroscar/archive1

The following is an archived discussion of a featured list nomination. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the article's talk page or in Wikipedia talk:Featured list candidates. No further edits should be made to this page.

The list was not promoted by The Rambling Man 17:31, 31 December 2012 [1].

Euroscar

Nominator(s): p b p 17:42, 29 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I believe this article to meet the FLC. The list is generally sourced to 2008, and specifically sourced for 2009, 2010, and 2011 (2012 will be announced in a couple months). It is formatted similarly to IBM Award and other basketball award-related lists. p b p 17:42, 29 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Resolved comments from The Rambling Man (talk) 16:13, 3 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Quick oppose - a really quick once-over, there may be many more issues than just these....

"known as European basketball's Oscar award," inline reference required.

I just removed the clause p b p 19:46, 29 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Image captions which are complete sentences need a full stop.

Fixed p b p 19:46, 29 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Six paras in the lead is too much per WP:LEAD.

I deleted a few sentences to I was able to cut it to five p b p 19:46, 29 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

References need, as a minimum, URL, publisher, accessdate. Ideally they also have, where possible, author name, publication date, page number etc.

I'm pretty sure it's URL title, accessdate, but I added the publisher anyway p b p 20:08, 29 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Tables fail WP:ACCESS per MOS:DTT. Add row and col scopes for screen readers please.

Fixed p b p 19:46, 29 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

"The Euroscar European Player of the Year Award known as European basketball's Oscar award, is an annual basketball award that started in 1979." why not just introduce the award and tell us what it's for, rather than what it's known by and when it started?

Note above where I dropped a clause p b p 19:46, 29 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

No need to link common geographical terms like Europe.

Links to Europe, sports club, and national team have been eliminated p b p 19:46, 29 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Don't use NBA etc without explaining what it means beforehand.

I spelled out NBA the first time; FIBA I have not because it's very rarely spelled out (and it isn't in English) p b p 19:46, 29 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

"it is award for," grammar fail.

Fixed p b p 19:46, 29 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Newspapers, magazines etc should be presented in italics.

Fixed p b p 19:46, 29 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

" The former distinction has become less important in recent years." your opinion.

Actually some other dude's opinion that was there when I started getting this up to FL. Either way, I removed it p b p 19:46, 29 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I'd like some objective evidence that "interbasket.com" is a reliable source per our policies.
Similarly for "ballineurope.com".

The Rambling Man (talk) 18:59, 29 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Note also, five paras is still too many for an article of this size, I would suggest three max... (see WP:LEAD). The Rambling Man (talk) 16:14, 3 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

OK, so two questions:

What should I cut from the lead?
How should I reorganize it? Should I cram the existing information into three paragraphs, or spin some of the existing information off into another section? p b p 19:10, 3 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Well, the lead has a lot of references to Halls of Fame and other awards for instance which aren't directly related to this list but are still mentioned below in table, consider making the lead focus more on the award than on the peripheral awards won by these guys? The Rambling Man (talk) 19:38, 3 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

So, should I drop all that info, or move it somewhere else? In many of the other NBA awards articles, it appears they crammed all that stuff into two or three very long paragraphs p b p 20:05, 3 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

On reflection, since this is the article, we should expand the lead and add something like a History section to it, explaining how the award came into existence, the sponsors, the prize, any controversies etc. A good example of an "awards" list is Gordon Bennett Cup (ballooning), which covers all the bases. The Rambling Man (talk) 19:38, 13 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Nudge. The Rambling Man (talk) 23:27, 15 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Nomination now a month old, with no clear direction as to the resolution of open issues.... The Rambling Man (talk) 18:17, 29 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Resolved comments from Giants2008 (Talk) 01:09, 19 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

"Nowitzki is also the only player to win the Euroscar Award and the NBA Most Valuable Player Award, however, he did not win both in the same season." Would read cleaner if the part after the first comma was replaced with "but did not win...".

Done p b p 22:52, 9 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

The reference just says that Nowitzki won the NBA MVP; it doesn't say that he is the only Euroscar winner to do so. Giants2008 (Talk) 01:09, 19 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I can reference a list of MVP winners if you want p b p 01:21, 19 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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