Wikipedia:Featured list candidates/Family Guy (season 8)/archive1

The following is an archived discussion of a featured list nomination. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the article's talk page or in Wikipedia talk:Featured list candidates. No further edits should be made to this page.

The list was promoted by Dabomb87 23:45, 17 December 2010 [1].

Family Guy (season 8)

Featured list candidates/Family Guy (season 8)/archive1

Nominator(s): Gage (talk) 21:11, 16 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I am nominating this for featured list because I believe it meets the FL criteria. As a part of a project to improve Family Guy articles related to each season, I am nominating the season eight list. I will try my best to make any improvements as they are brought up. It is largely modeled after the season five article, which was promoted to featured list status not too long ago. Gage (talk) 21:11, 16 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Comment—no dab links, no dead external links. Ucucha 13:54, 17 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Since it is a recent season there should be some sort of Ratings column in the table. Nergaal (talk) 16:13, 18 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- ~~I've been opposed to adding ratings info to the table, especially since it is already summarized in the reception section, and is available on each respective article. I'm not sure on its neccessity.~~ Gage (talk) 19:52, 18 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I see no reason to deprive a reader of information so easily include-able in the article, after all the inclusion of the ratings column hasn't seemed to of hindered other recent FLs such as Glee (season 1). Afro (Talk) 21:40, 20 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Because I'd prefer to move away from this issue, I've added a ratings column. Gage (talk) 01:35, 21 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Resolved comments from Courcelles 11:01, 16 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

*Oppose

File:Family Guy Volume 8 - DVD box cover.png fails NFCC #8.

I've amended the fair use rationale for the image. Gage (talk) 17:10, 6 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

No, you've used a cookie cutter template. Why is this image so important to the article that we need non-free content to get it across? Using a cookie-cutter also runs afoul of NFCC 10. (Quite possibly 1, as well. "They made DVDs. They had an image of an animated guy on them." carries the same message as this image. (Also note that despite that guy taking up 60+% of the image, you've neglected to tell us which character it even is.) Courcelles 21:08, 12 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I've removed the image, since that seems to be your ultimate goal. Gage (talk) 18:40, 13 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

The plot summaries are way too long for a season article- the few I spot checked were over 150 words long. This is excessive when each episode has its own article.

I've already cut down the summaries significantly, before submitting this list for featured list status. If you would like to provide an independent look over to remove some of the unnecessary details, I'd be all for it, as I am at a loss as to what else should be removed. Gage (talk) 17:32, 6 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I've never seen these episodes... or even this show, so I would not be a good judge of what is important. Considering we're talking about 22 minutes of footage for each episode, though, it feels like each summary is discussing every plot point of the episode, instead of being a broad overview. Courcelles 21:08, 12 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I've specifically requested several times that people who have never watched any of these episodes, or this show to remove the unnecessary details, and they seemed to have had no problems. Gage (talk) 18:37, 13 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Really don't think the DVD's are worth a paragraph in the lede.

Done, but the volume 8 and 9 info should be left, in my opinion. Gage (talk) 17:10, 6 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

"Eight of the twenty-one episodes are included in the volume. The remaining eleven episodes of the season will be released on the Volume Nine DVD box set." 21-8 does not = 11... In general, though, this paragraph should be cut to a sentence and merged with the one prior. Three regional release dates don't all belong in the lede. Courcelles 21:08, 12 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Because I was instructed to remove the paragraphs dealing with two of the season's episodes being independently released on their own DVD. 8 in the first volume + 2 independently released + 11 in the second volume = 21 episodes. And I strongly disagree with your assessment that the regions should be eliminated, and merged with the previous paragraph. Gage (talk) 18:30, 13 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Resolved comments from Courcelles 21:08, 12 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

:Really don't think the DVD's are worth a paragraph in the lede.

Done, but the volume 8 and 9 info should be left, in my opinion. Gage (talk) 17:10, 6 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Reading the lede... I have no idea we're talking about television here.

Done. Gage (talk) 17:25, 6 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

"Joseph Lee received his first directing credit for the season." Is this a complete sentence? And presumably, everyone that directed in the season had a first episode. Do you perhaps mean this was his first directorial credit for the series?

Done. Gage (talk) 17:27, 6 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I'm really finding the Production section hard to get through. It's long, rather boring, and confusing in places. Try to get an independent copy-edit. Consider if there's some stuff here that really doesn't matter and/or would be better left to the episodes individual articles.

I'm unsure what should be removed. It largely mimics the production section of the fifth season featured list. Gage (talk) 17:27, 6 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

"The episode was inependently released on DVD on September 28, 2010, shortly after the ninth season premiere of Family Guy.[18]" Inependently? Spellcheck, please, that's not the only typo.

Done. Please alert me of any other errors. Gage (talk) 17:16, 6 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

How many times do we need to be told Road to the Multiverse is the season premiere?

Done. Gage (talk) 17:23, 6 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Think about your linking. For an example, instead of "Both of these figures were significantly higher than those of the seventh season finale." containing a link to the seventh season article, which we've seen before, link to the actual episode's article.

Done. I'm not aware of any other links that should be changed. Gage (talk) 17:19, 6 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

"On July 24, 2010, MacFarlane gave a live performance of the song at the 2010 San Diego Comic-Con International," Do we really need the year twice in that sentence?

Done. Gage (talk) 17:21, 6 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I know the ratings for each episode are available, there would be a nice addition to the chart.

They were unknowingly removed by another user. If they are removed again, it will not be because of me. I added the ratings after a previous user requested that they be included as well. Gage (talk) 17:10, 6 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Are we a DVD sales guide, now? There's entirely too much information on the DVD releases here.

Done. Gage (talk) 17:10, 6 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Ref 5 has an author available. Check all. Not that I'm entirely sold on using The Huffington Post as a reliable source, actually...

Done. Gage (talk) 17:30, 6 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

FLC isn't PR, so don't consider this an exhaustive list of issues, but that should be enough for you to work on. Courcelles 04:05, 4 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Weak support Would really like someone who has actually seen the show to look at the episode summaries. Asking non-viewers to try to identify what is important in a season is not going to work well, as we do not know what became important and what was a throwaway padding scene never mentioned again. Courcelles 11:01, 16 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Support Good work. Looks ready.--AlastorMoody (talk) 06:23, 18 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Resolved comments from The Rambling Man (talk) 01:13, 27 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

*Is is "boxset", "Boxset" or "box set"? I'd suggest the latter but be consistent throughout (including the infobox).

- Done. Gage (talk)
"As production began, Steve Callaghan, Alex Carter,..." no real need to repeat the first names as long as there's no other Callaghans or Carters in the section.
- I removed Callaghan's first name, but I'm not sure why Carter's first name should be removed, as he is only mentioned once, to my knowledge. Gage (talk) 22:31, 26 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]
"as Quagmire' daughter" missing an s?
- Done. Gage (talk) 22:31, 26 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]
"received the lowest amount of viewers"-> "received the fewest viewers" would be much nicer.
- Done. Gage (talk) 22:31, 26 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]
"won and were nominated for " seems the wrong way round to me, after all they had to be nominated to win, so why not "were nominated for and won...."?
- Done. Gage (talk) 22:31, 26 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]
"as the "worst show of the week."" - you refer to six episodes, is this a recurring award, it's not clear to me. References seem to imply this but capitalise the title as well.
- Done. Gage (talk) 22:31, 26 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I see Goodman's image narrower than the other upright images, is there a reason for this?
- Done. Gage (talk) 22:31, 26 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Should Family Guy be in italics in Rizzo's quote?
- Done. Gage (talk) 22:31, 26 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]
"a remote that " could you patronise the Brits and say "remote control"?
- Done. Gage (talk) 22:31, 26 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]
"The test comes back negative" benign?
- Done. Gage (talk) 22:31, 26 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Vladmir -> Vladimir.
- Done. Gage (talk) 22:31, 26 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]
"that Miley Cyrus is having a concert in Quahog" just reads odd to me "is having a concert"? There must be a better way...
- I've altered the sentence. Gage (talk) 22:31, 26 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]
"Chris the captures" missing an n.
- Done. Gage (talk) 22:31, 26 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]
"but when the monkey helps Chris write" -> helps him write.
- Done. Gage (talk) 22:31, 26 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]
"Cleveland left the group," sorry, I missed this, what group?
- I've altered the sentence. Gage (talk) 22:31, 26 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]
"a Hispanic maid" -> "an Hipsanic maid".
- Done. Gage (talk) 22:31, 26 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]
" bachelor party. Peter then takes Carter to " -> party, so takes him to...
- Done. I think you left out "he" after "so," though, and I added it to the article. Gage (talk) 22:31, 26 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Don't think you need to link janitor.
- Done. Gage (talk) 22:31, 26 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]
"research for the article, " what article?
- Done. Gage (talk) 22:31, 26 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]
"but soon back out" backs out.
- Done. Gage (talk) 22:31, 26 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]
"and Angela tries to seduce him" -> "where she tries..."
- Done. Gage (talk) 22:31, 26 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]
"He tries a few different things" remove "a few".
- Done. Gage (talk) 22:31, 26 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]
"he simply buys the kids an " -> "he buys them an"
- Done. Gage (talk) 22:31, 26 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]
"Vader goads Luke to join the dark side" -> Vader goads him...
- Done. Gage (talk) 22:31, 26 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]
"marking the first time an episode has premiered in the United Kingdom before the United States" is this claim referenced?
- I was not aware of the statement. I've removed it. Gage (talk) 22:31, 26 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Rating sorts four ways in Safari.
- A user readded the ratings table, instead of listing it in the episode list, so I'm not sure your concern still applies, as I've reverted it. Gage (talk) 22:31, 26 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]
So does Share.
- Same as above. Gage (talk) 22:31, 26 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Any reason for the bold text in the table (apart from the headings, of course)?
- Same as above. Gage (talk) 22:31, 26 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Ref 15 looks like it has a spare "
- Done. Gage (talk) 22:31, 26 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Ref 21 vs Ref 22 for inconsistent formatting of TV by the Numbers. And refs 66 to 68 look different again.
- Done with 21 and 22. Not sure what you're referring to with "66 to 68." Gage (talk) 22:31, 26 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]
What is UNCCD and what makes its criticism specifically relevant?
- I've replaced the reference. Gage (talk) 22:31, 26 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]
IGN in the references is sometimes italicised, sometimes not, be consistent.
- Done. Gage (talk) 22:31, 26 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Ref 63 is missing most parameters besides title.
- There are no other parameters that are able to be filled. Gage (talk) 22:31, 26 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Is "television seasons" really necessary if you have Family Guy seasons (which must have "television seasons" as a super-category?)
- Done. Gage (talk) 22:31, 26 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

The Rambling Man (talk) 16:47, 25 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Would suggest a merger of the very short lead para into the subsequent para.
- Which paragraphs are you referring to? Gage (talk) 22:31, 26 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  - Second and third... The Rambling Man (talk) 01:13, 27 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]
    - Done. Gage (talk) 01:33, 27 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]
" Eight of the twenty-one episodes are included in the volume. The remaining eleven episodes..." perhaps I'm tired but that adds up to 19 in my mind, not 21...
- If you look at the previous user's concerns, I was instructed to remove two episodes that were independently released on their own DVD. Because of this, 8 in the first volume + 11 in the second volume + 2 independent releases equals 21 episodes. Gage (talk) 22:31, 26 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  - I find it confusing. The Rambling Man (talk) 01:13, 27 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]
    - Well, I see no problem in readding the two independent releases to the DVD release info in the lead, especially since you're the second person to question the math. Gage (talk) 01:33, 27 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]
      - It just needs to be clear, that's all. The Rambling Man (talk) 01:36, 27 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]
        I've added to the statement. Gage (talk) 01:42, 27 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Don't mix date formats in the references.
- I looked over the references, and was unable to locate anywhere that I had mixed the dates in the references, please point out what needs to be fixed. Gage (talk) 22:31, 26 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  - Fair enough, can't see any problems now! The Rambling Man (talk) 01:13, 27 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Resolved comments from Giants2008 (27 and counting) 22:20, 5 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Comments –

Production: What is citing the second and third paragraphs of this section?
- I've referenced the best way I could think of, similar to the main list. Gage (talk) 18:51, 4 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Reception: How could Family Goy have reached "a high for the eighth season" when it's stated earlier that the season premiere had the highest ratings, which the given statistics seem to back up?
- Done. Gage (talk) 18:51, 4 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]
In the key, the second bulleted point has a space before its period. And why does one note have a period when the other doesn't?
- Done. Gage (talk) 18:51, 4 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Episode 5: "He sneaks in backstage, Miley becomes Stewie's best friend." First, it feels like an incomplete sentence. Second, why is Miley's first name being used?
Episode 6: "and introduces the clone to Brian. Brian...". Try to avoid repetition like this from one sentence to another.
- Done. I'm not sure why the use of simply "Miley" is being called into question though. Gage (talk) 18:51, 4 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Episode 11: "Luke then breaks out of jail and tries to hide in the Griffin's home." "Griffin's" → "Griffins'".
- Done. Gage (talk) 18:51, 4 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Episode 15: "Stewie finds an old script that Brian wrote, suggests Lois read it." Feels like "and" is missing after the comma. That might help the Miley sentence too.
- Done. Gage (talk) 18:51, 4 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Episode 19: "Peter questions where Quagmire heard the joke and eventually find...". "find" → "finds".
- Done. Gage (talk) 18:51, 4 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]
DVD release: Is the spelling of "Karoke" correct?
- Done. Gage (talk) 18:51, 4 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]
General reference needs a period after the publisher.
- Done. Gage (talk) 18:51, 4 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]
References 2, 22, and 24 should have designations that the links are in PDF format. The format= parameter of the cite templates is useful for this purpose. Giants2008 (27 and counting) 00:53, 28 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- Done. Gage (talk) 18:51, 4 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Support - Question, what happened to the picture of the DVD box? DragonZero (Talk · Contribs) 00:38, 11 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- It was implied by another editor above that it was not necessary. Gage (talk) 08:27, 12 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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