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Frank Worrell Trophy

Featured list candidates/Frank Worrell Trophy/archive1

Nominator(s): The Rambling Man (talk) 19:33, 6 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

I was lurking around looking for a mini-project and stumbled on this little number. Some interesting stories, and a fascinating glimpse of how the world powers in cricket have swung since the 1980s. As always, thanks in advance to anyone prepared to take the time to review this, I will endeavour to get to any and all comments as soon as practicable. Cheers. The Rambling Man (talk) 19:33, 6 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Ref #8 "The Guradian", was that irony? (I'll post a full review later.) Harrias ^talk 20:23, 6 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Thankfully it didn't say "The Grauniad" but it was close... I've developed a kind of switch-character-typing-dyslexia as I've got older. That's a good example.... The Rambling Man (talk) 20:31, 6 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

More comments

Could you put a "[sic]" after the word 'every' in "Greatest Game every played with a ball".
Added. The Rambling Man (talk) 06:57, 19 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Is there a reason that the table isn't sortable?
Didn't see much utility in that, but sortable now. The Rambling Man (talk) 06:57, 19 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Ref #5 is missing the date of publication (the BBC list it as "last updated" at the top).
Added. The Rambling Man (talk) 06:57, 19 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Ref #8 is missing the date of publication.
Added. The Rambling Man (talk) 06:57, 19 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Given you linked Ashley Mallett in ref #17 and Peter Toohey in ref #20, might as well link Mike Selvey in ref #24.
Linked. The Rambling Man (talk) 06:57, 19 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Ref #26 is missing the date of publication.
Added. The Rambling Man (talk) 06:57, 19 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Harrias ^talk 07:58, 17 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Harrias thanks, I've addressed your comments. The Rambling Man (talk) 06:57, 19 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Support cheers, great work. Harrias ^talk 20:45, 19 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Resolved comments from Bloom6132 (talk) 21:32, 19 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Initial comments after a cursory look; might add more later –

Ref #8 – might want to add an "agency=" parameter for Reuters, since there's no author named.
Added. The Rambling Man (talk) 07:05, 19 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]
In the "Summary of results" section, you might want to use a table caption instead of a 5 column span for the title.
Replaced colspan with caption. The Rambling Man (talk) 07:05, 19 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Is magenta(?) the colour associated with the West Indies? Because it does seem a bit glaring and MOS:COLOUR recommends subtle, lighter, less-dominant pastel hues.
Toned it down, is it better? The Rambling Man (talk) 07:05, 19 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Yup, much better. Cheers! —Bloom6132 (talk) 17:21, 19 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Not sure if this is still a requirement for FLs, but you might want to add alt text to the images.
Alt text added. The Rambling Man (talk) 07:05, 19 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

—Bloom6132 (talk) 20:08, 14 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Bloom6132 thanks for your initial comments, I've addressed them all. Please let me know if there's anything else that you'd like me to address. The Rambling Man (talk) 07:05, 19 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Final comments –

"the highest score, 277, which he" – preferable to use brackets instead of commas around a single integer.
Placed into parentheses. The Rambling Man (talk) 21:00, 19 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]
"They continued in such form in the following series in Australia" – one too many 'in's in half a sentence. Could this be reworded to "continued this form" or "extended this form"?
Reworded slightly. The Rambling Man (talk) 21:00, 19 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

—Bloom6132 (talk) 17:21, 19 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Once again, thanks Bloom6132, please let me know if there's anything else you'd like me to address. The Rambling Man (talk) 21:00, 19 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Support – nothing more to address; great list! —Bloom6132 (talk) 21:32, 19 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Comment from JennyOz

I'm wondering if we can actually get rid of the awful 'sic' re "ever" / "every"...

1. MOS:PMC says we can simply fix the typo "...trivial spelling and typographic errors should simply be corrected without comment..."

2. Or, change the ref to one without the typo?

This in Trinidad Express is (nearly) the same piece by Tony Cozier. It uses "ever".

This ESPN one, which quotes Wellings in Wisden, also uses "ever".

NB The Trinidad Express Cozier article also verifies the other use of the ref, i.e., that it was the first ever Test tie but the ESPN alternative does not. JennyOz (talk) 13:22, 6 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Jenny, thanks (and thanks for your tweaks), I've replaced the [sic] with a reference to the ESPN article. Ref 5 (in the lead) already cites the first Test tie so that's not necessary again. Hopefully I've addressed your concerns! Thanks for your interest. The Rambling Man (talk) 19:25, 9 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks so much for agreeing to the change, (and Wellings would have been happier too, esp as it wasn't his error originally:).

I'll have a last look through v soon. JennyOz (talk) 05:13, 10 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Hi TRM, some of these are only suggestions. Some bits confused me so I may have got my wires crossed.

Refs

Ref 14 Rowland Ryder - author link?

Done. The Rambling Man (talk) 07:19, 19 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Ref 15 Alan (Keith) Davidson - author link? - hmmm though it is "as told to" Brydon Coverdale

Made it Coverdale and linked. The Rambling Man (talk) 07:19, 19 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Ref 27 Croft, Colin (6 January 2001). "Australia deserve 50– success" - should be 5-0

Fixed. The Rambling Man (talk) 07:19, 19 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Infobox

Currently includes most runs and most wickets but not most catches - is that because the 'most catches' parameter does not render? (I can see it appears not to for Suresh Raina in the template example Template:Infobox cricket tournament main.)

Yes, I added it but it doesn't render. Perhaps I'll take a look at the template later, but that's not really part of this FLC... The Rambling Man (talk) 07:21, 19 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Photos

Add photo for Courtney Walsh?

Done. The Rambling Man (talk) 07:43, 19 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Tables

Main table List of results

Series 5 1975-76 - on ref 17 LHS of page says results Aust 5-1 (6) but RHS doesn't include the first Test i.e., it only lists 5 of the 6 results

- perhaps swap ref in table to this one? (ie change from url: ...content/series/60457.html, to: ...engine/series/60457.html)

Done. The Rambling Man (talk) 07:43, 19 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Summary of results table

First row "Tests", "Drawn" column tally includes the tied Test - should it have a double dagger?

Added. The Rambling Man (talk) 07:46, 19 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Prose

whitewash - wlink first mention to Whitewash (sport)?

Done. The Rambling Man (talk) 08:09, 19 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

64-65 "Despite losing the first Test of the 1964–65 series by ten wickets, the West Indies recovered to win the third and fifth Tests to take the trophy back to the Caribbean." Is it me or is something wrong here? Seems upside down. WI won first Test by 179 runs, 2nd drawn, 3rd to WI, 4th drawn, 5th to Aust by 10 wickets. (And series was played in West Indies so WI "take the trophy back to Caribbean" is iffy. Should be more like: took trophy for the Caribbean for the first time?)

Gah, what a mess, fixed. The Rambling Man (talk) 08:09, 19 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

"The West Indies sole Test victory, at the WACA Ground in Perth..." - isn't clear it's talking specifically about 75-76 series, as previous sentence mentions 3 series.

Clarified. The Rambling Man (talk) 08:09, 19 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

77-78 5th Test "The final Test saw the West Indies eight wickets down with more than 100 runs needed when the Jamaican crowds began to riot." - Ref 21 Peter Toohey Rumble in Jamaica says 8 needing 100, but goes on to say Holder caught behind before crowd started rioting. And this confirms 9 wickets lost. Still needing 111?

I've expanded on that a little. The Rambling Man (talk) 08:09, 19 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

"For the 1994–95 series, Australia brought in a new coach and a new manager." - can't see a ref. This says ..."Bobby Simpson, now the Australian coach, ..." but he'd been coach since 1986?

The ref is in the table, I've reused it inline here now. The Rambling Man (talk) 08:12, 19 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

ahhh... that's Jimmy Adams talking to Scott Oliver - it was WI (not Aust) who "brought in a new coach and a new manager". JennyOz (talk) 13:28, 19 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Got it. The Rambling Man (talk) 13:31, 19 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

94-95 - Reiffel's quote "make or break for both teams" - needs ref This?

Yes, thanks. Added. The Rambling Man (talk) 08:18, 19 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Other

Besides the first tied Test, there are a few FWT records at List of Test cricket records eg 1992-93 - Narrowest win margin by runs. Not sure if any worth mentioning - too prone to change?

Well I suppose I could add another section based on records, but I'm not entirely convinced that's needed, if they're really significant they're already covered, as you noted, in that existing FL. The Rambling Man (talk) 09:35, 19 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Could consider though, inserting in prose that in the deciding final Test of 1992-93 series, Curtly Ambrose took seven wickets for a single run per here.

Added. The Rambling Man (talk) 09:35, 19 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

That's all. Thanks. JennyOz (talk) 16:44, 18 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

JennyOz very much appreciate your review, thanks. I've responded to your comments inline and addressed them as appropriate. Cheers. The Rambling Man (talk) 09:35, 19 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Glad you were able to decipher my notes! I fixed a few new minor typos rather than add them here. Please check. Last to do is per my new comment above re the "new coach" info. Thanks. JennyOz (talk) 13:28, 19 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

JennyOz, thanks again, I think I got that last one. The Rambling Man (talk) 13:31, 19 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Support - Thrilled to see this tournament and its players so well recognised and represented. Great job! JennyOz (talk) 13:50, 19 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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