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George Harrison discography

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Nominator(s): Kürbis (✔) 16:32, 8 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

A discography of the "quiet Beatle", George Harrison. He was nicknamed as such because he did not contribute much in the songwriting. After the Beatles break-up, Harrison recorded the most-successful post-Beatles album, All Things Must Pass, and several other successful albums and singles. In the last years he was a member of the supergroup Travelling Wilburys. The discography follows the contemporary standard format. Regards.Kürbis (✔) 16:32, 8 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Comments

  • Lead
    • "George Harrison was once invited by his friend Paul McCartney to watch the skiffle band The Quarrymen playing." This is a weak and non-specific statement. When was he invited to watch them play?
    • "In 1960 the band was changed to The Beatles and Harrison eventually became a full member and the lead guitarist for the quartet." This suggests that Harrison joined The Beatles after 1960 rather than the Quarrymen in 1958.
      • I reworded it slightly--Kürbis (✔) 09:49, 9 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]
        • There are still several problems with this:
          1. You need to make it clear that the Quarrymen were Paul McCartney's band.
          2. It now says he beceame (note the typo) a member in 1968.
          3. "Two years later the band was changed to The Beatles and Harrison eventually became a full member and the lead guitarist for the quartet". This is still incorrectly worded:
            1. He was already a full member of the band before it changed its name.
            2. The band was not changed to The Beatles - the band name was.--DavidCane (talk) 22:11, 9 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]
          • 1) Actually Lennon formed the band, 2) Corrected, 3) I am not sure if this band changed its name to Beatles. I was told that "changed their band name" is incorrect English
            • "changed their band name" isn't particularly good English, but the previous phrasing was definitely worse. The current phrasing is better, but the dates are wrong. The Beatles article says he joined the group (whatever it was called) in early 1958. The same article says they adopted the name "The Beatles" in August 1960. It still also says "eventually became a member and the lead guitarist for the quartet" which reads oddly as he was already a member.--DavidCane (talk) 22:33, 11 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]
              • Ok, it was previously "full member" but some user insisted it was false... Now reverted back. Also fixed the date.
    • "In the later years, his musical effort however was distinguished by some songwriting." This seems incomplete.
    • "Harrison growth as a songwriter was evidenced on such tracks as "While My Guitar Gently Weeps", "Here Comes the Sun" and "Something"." Needs to be "Harrison's growth" and how do these songs evidence the growth?
    • At the start of the third paragraph, say when the Beatles broke-up.
    • "were still active", I suggest "remained active".
      • Done
    • The Wonderwall album was release in 1968, but the context of the sentence after talk of the break-up in the previous sentence seems to suggest the album was released after the break-up.
    • "The album produced one of his most successful and famous songs, such as chart-topper "My Sweet Lord" and "What Is Life"." Which of these two songs is the one you mean?
    • "His next albums were not very successful, receiving silver, gold and platinum certications". Spelling of "certifications" needs to be corrected. Is this three albums that you are referring to; if so which three, as the table does not show an album after All Things Must Pass that received a platinum rating until Cloud Nine in 1987.
    • Why is the reference to The Concert for Bangladesh preceding Live Aid by 14 years relevant?
      • Not exactly sure what you mean. The footnote or the mention of this statement?
        • I mean. Why is it relevant to the discography that the concert preceded Live Aid by 14 years.--DavidCane (talk) 22:11, 9 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]
          • Well, it is an interesting info; always paraphrasing from the tables is lame.
            • But why is it interesting in a discography and why is it interesting that it was 14 years before Live Aid?--DavidCane (talk) 22:33, 11 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]
              • Actually, the wording implies that it was bigger than Live Aid, which was to my knowledge the largest concert
    • "After the release of "All Those Years Ago", all songs beginning with Gone Troppo, the worst-charting album only after Electronic Sound, did not chart; this changed after the release of "Got My Mind Set on You"." This is muddled and needs to be broken down into separate sentences. Make it clear the "All Those Years Ago" was a single and state which album it was from. Why not just say that Harrison had a run of six singles between 1981 and 1986 that did not chart.
      • Done
    • "Bearing the several flops in mind, Harrison joined the supergroup Traveling Wilburys in 1988..." Are you saying that he joined the supergroup, because of the several flops?
      • Removed that bit. I think I was mistaken
    • "The group released on 18 October 1988 its debut album Traveling Wilburys Vol. 1, which received three-times platinum and peaked at several music charts worldwide in the top 10." I suggest this be rephrased as "On 18 October 1988, the group released its debut album Traveling Wilburys Vol. 1, which was certified three-times platinum and peaked at several music charts worldwide in the top 10."
    • Not sure that Concert for George is relevant in a Harrison discography as he does not play on it. If nothing else, that should be made clear.
      • I think it was a very important release and should be mentioned to round off the lead.
  • Tables
    • NZL and SWE in the first table are the other way around in the following album tables.
      • Thanks. Not sure how I missed that...
    • The note indicates that a strike indicates that an album release did not chart. Is it confirmed that the records were released in all of these countries and failed to chart in each case. Did they sometimes not chart because they were not released or is because the source does not have the data?

--DavidCane (talk) 23:10, 8 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for your comments! I will work on the remaining points. Regards.--Kürbis (✔) 09:49, 9 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for your responses. Regards.--Kürbis (✔) 10:44, 10 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose still copyediting issues.

Resolved comments from The Rambling Man (talk) 07:46, 18 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Some really quick issues...
  • Skiffle is overlinked in the lead.
  • Delinked
  • Infobox says 4 compilation albums, lead says three.
  • Updated
  • The Times reference(s) are subscription only.
  • Added a note.
  • Are you sure the original band name was "the Rebels" and not "The Rebels"?
  • Done
  • "was changed to The Beatles and " ->"was renamed The Beatles".
  • Done
  • "became a full member " you said he became a member. What's the difference between a member and a full member?
  • Member may also mean session musician or similar
  • Done
  • Added
  • "his nickname "the quiet " -> "his nickname of the "quiet Beatle"."
  • Done
  • "In the later years" the later years of what?
  • Replaced with career
  • Reworded
  • "his musical effort however was distinguished by some songwriting" what does this mean?
  • Reworded
  • "After a meeting with Indian musician Ravi Shankar he discovered " -> "After a meeting with Indian musician Ravi Shankar, Harrison discovered..."
  • Done
  • "he discovered a new musical instrument" it's not really a "new" instrument is it? perhaps just "he was introduced to the sitar".
  • Done
  • "Later he also tried out with the slide guitar" -> British English doesn't normally say "tried out with".
  • Replaced with tested
  • "of The Beatles in 31 December 1970" not "in", "on".
  • Already corrected
  • " as solo-artists" no hyphen needed.
  • Done
  • ""as members in other " members "of" other bands.
  • Done
  • "debut album" just links to album, worthless link.
  • Delinked
  • The soundtrack to Wonderwall was released two years before The Beatles split up...
  • Yep
  • Moved and reworded
  • "This album was not very successful" this just reads poorly to me, I would just say where the album peaked.. was it released in any other territories?
  • Shortened
  • "by short-living recording " -> "by the short-lived..."
  • Done
  • John Lennon is overlinked in the lead.
  • Delinked
  • Apple Records is overlinked in the lead.
  • Delinked
  • "one of his most successful and famous songs, such as " no "such as" if you're talking about "one of..."
  • Reworded
  • "His next albums were not very successful, receiving silver, gold and platinum" sorry, that doesn't make any sense at all. Platinum is extremely successful, don't you think?
  • Not compared with the 6x platinum. I replaced with "moderately"
  • "certifications by British Phonographic Industry " by "the" British...
  • Done
  • "receiving eight-times platinum by " platinum certification or "being certified eight-times platinum".
  • Done
  • Oops, done
  • Where are the release dates referenced and for what territory are they relevant? (e.g. the first album seems to be the US release date while the second album seems to be the UK release date...)
  • Will check this
  • Most discogs these days implement captions for the tables.
  • Added
  • Why is The Concert for Bangladesh album referenced by both [9] and [23]?
  • Because the information is only available in 23
  • Done
  • Where is "This Guitar (Can't Keep from Crying)" referenced?
  • They are referenced by the several Hung Medien references
  • Same comment applies to all non-charted singles.
  • Ditto
  • The references are listed below the country abbreviations.
  • "Best of Dark Horse 1976-1989" en-dash required.
  • It has an n-dash
  • Ah, I see. Done
  • Don't abbreviate OCC without saying what it is. And it's not The Official Charts Company, it's just "Official Charts Company".
  • According to the site, it is The Official Charts Company
  • Be consistent with author names, either First Last or Last, First.
  • Done
  • Allmusic -> AllMusic.
  • Done
  • Is that the Shanghai Surprise you meant to link to?
  • Yes

A long way to go. The Rambling Man (talk) 11:09, 10 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for your comments. Regards.--Kürbis (✔) 12:32, 10 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for replying. Regards.--Kürbis (✔) 13:29, 10 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Resolved comments from NapHit (talk) 19:53, 21 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]
* "Harrison's debut career began with skiffle group..." debut career? his career is viewed as a whole as its within one industry, so no idea why debut is used, needs to be removed
  • Removed
  • "Two years later the band was renamed The Beatles and Harrison eventually became a full member and the lead guitarist for the quartet." -> The band was renamed The Beatles two years later, with Harrison as the lead guitarist
  • Not sure about this. I think the sentence is in conflict with "renamed"; Harrison was not renamed. I would write "with Harrison being..." but that is not great English.
Its fines it reads better than the previous version. NapHit (talk) 19:53, 21 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • "Harrison's songwriting skills progressed considerably in the last Beatles years." statement like that needs a ref
  • The reference is AllMusic: "In the wake of that decision, Harrison's playing and songwriting grew exponentially."
  • "It was not only the first official solo album by one of the Beatles, but also Apple Records' first LP release." too many weasel words in this sentence change to It was the first official solo alum by a member of The Beatles and Apple Records first LP release
  • Done
  • "This album peaked" This should be The
  • Done
  • "Harrison's next album was the experimental album Electronic Sound" no need for the second use of album
  • Done
  • "There he received the nicknames "Nelson Wilbury" (on its first album) and later "Spike Wilbury" (on its second album)." what has this got to do with his discography? and if it has any relevance it needs referencing
  • Removed
  • "In honour of Harrison, Concert for George was released two years after his death, receiving an eight-times platinum certification by RIAA." As David states above this article is about Harrison's discography, as this album is not part of it, there is no reason for it to be included
  • Removed
  • Done
  • ref 1 The Times is a printed publication and should be in italics, so the parameter work should be used not publisher
  • Done
  • ref 3 publication is date is 30 November 2001 not 30 November 2011
  • Done
  • ref 5 has two full stops after the author
  • Done
  • ref 6, New York Times is The New York Times
  • Done
  • ref 7, needs a publication date adding and Brautigan was not an author of the page
  • Removed
  • ref 8 needs a publication date adding, there are two full stops after the publisher
  • Done
  • ref 14 has no publisher and it does not look to be the most reliable site
  • ref 43 has no accessdate
  • Done
  • You have musiccanada.com and Music Canada be consistent
  • Done
  • The dagger and double dagger symbols are not WP:ACCESS compliant. See WP:NOSYMBOLS, use {{dagger}} and {{double dagger}} instead
  • It does not state they are restricted
It does: Symbols that cause problems for screen readers may already have templates created to produce an image and alt text. An example is †; see Category:Image insertion templates for more. Again they need to be replaced by the above templates as its a WP:ACCESS issue. NapHit (talk) 19:53, 21 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • AllMusic is not a work, as its not a printed publication, so it shouldn't be in italics
  • Done
Nope still see some refs that have AllMusic in italics. NapHit (talk) 19:53, 21 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose copyediting issues and sloppy referencing again

  • Also do you have a date for when he formed The Rebels, would be helpful for context
  • I could not find the date.
Well if you can't find the date, then you can't start the next sentence with Around this time, when none is given. NapHit (talk) 19:53, 21 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Around the time he formed the rebels
I'm sorry but I'm not sure you understand the issue. You cannot start a sentence with Around this time when you do not specify a date, needs re-wording. NapHit (talk) 15:48, 4 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • "John Lennon's impulsive rhythm guitar playing and McCartney and Lennon's ability for writing and composing songs led Harrison to his nickname of the "quiet Beatle". This sentence troubles me, firstly I fail to see how the qualities of Lennon and McCartney led to him acquiring this nickname, it reads as if this is how he got the nickname. This is compounded by the source not reflecting what the text says, doesn't mention Lennon's impulsive rhythm guitar playing or Lennon and McCartney's ability for composing songs. By all means mention his nickname was the quiet Beatle, but reflect what the source is saying.
  • Done
Still got issues with this, the new source mentions Lennon and McCartney's songwriting skills, but says nothing about Lennon's guitar playing. The new source also mentions his aversion to the spotlight was a reason for him earning the nickname, that needs including. NapHit (talk) 19:53, 21 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]
This article is not about Lennon
It may not be about Lennon, but when you state the reasons above as leading to Harrison's nickname then they ARE relevant to the article. This has still not been addressed, please alter the sentence to reflect what the sources say. NapHit (talk) 15:48, 4 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • "Harrison's growth as a songwriter was evidenced by such successful tracks as "While My Guitar Gently Weeps", "Here Comes the Sun" and "Something". How was it evidenced? What's the difference between these songs and the ones he wrote earlier?
  • Explained
No, now it says they were successful and influential again without saying why there were successful or influential, provide some context. NapHit (talk) 19:53, 21 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]
No need. This is a general, non-controversial statement.
No it is not a general, non-controversial statement. You cannot say the songs were evidence of his growth with providing a reason why this was. A non-controversial statement would be he wrote the songs. NapHit (talk) 15:48, 4 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • "It was certified six-times platinum by the Recording Industry Association of America (RIAA) and became the best-selling album by any of the former Beatles." Again a statement like that needs a referenced as it can be challenged
  • The reference is displayed
Where? because it doesn't come at the end of the sentence. NapHit (talk) 19:53, 21 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]
It is at the end of the paragraph
No, that source mentions nothing about the album being certified six-times platinum. NapHit (talk) 15:48, 4 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • "The album produced such successful songs as chart-topper "My Sweet Lord" and "What Is Life"." This sentence reads poorly, needs re writing. Also how successful were the songs provide some context
  • I already stated "chart-topper". Reworded.
chart-topper is not exactly encyclopaedic, still not enough context, our article says it was the biggest selling single of 1971, also why is What is Life used? what separates this from the other songs on the album?
Ok, but this does not belong into the discography. "what separates this from the other songs on the album?" because they were the only singles of the album, and the only to peak the charts (Isn't It a Pity was a b-side)
Actually it does belong in the discography, I would expect more context from a featured list. Mention they were singles to avoid confusion, have a look at some recent discography promotions to see the context they provide. NapHit (talk) 15:48, 4 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • "The live album The Concert for Bangladesh was recorded on 1 August 1971 at New York City's Madison Square Garden, and consists of tracks played at the charity event The Concert for Bangladesh, which preceded Live Aid by 14 years." there are so many issues with this sentence its scary. Firstly you go from past to present tense in the sentence. You don't provide any context for the reader, why was there a concert in the first place? Why is it relevant this preceded Live Aid by 14 years, this an article about Harrison's discography not the concert itself, seems irrelevant to me.
  • Removed
instead of repeating the name of the album when you link the concert, pipe it and mention why there was a concert in the first place, provide context. NapHit (talk) 19:53, 21 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Not done. Both need to be mentioned as first is the concert itself and the other the album--Kürbis (✔) 09:35, 4 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
If they both have to be mentioned then re-work the sentence so the concert itself starts the sentence. Then you can explain why there was a concert in the first place, which is what I asked nearly two weeks ago to be included. NapHit (talk) 15:48, 4 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • "Harrison's next album was the experimental Electronic Sound, which was the second and last album released by the short-lived recording label Zapple Records" no full stop at the end of this sentence

NapHit (talk) 14:42, 20 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

This has still not been addressed. NapHit (talk) 15:48, 4 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • The whole of the travelling wilbury's bit in the lead needs referencing as the albums are not part of his discography. Therefore those statements need a source
  • * ref 2, book needs an isbn, year of publication, and author's full name
  • Done
The isbn is not formatted correctly, see ref 34 where it is. Also this ref uses a 13 digit isbn, while the other two use a 10 digit, need to be consistent. NapHit (talk) 19:53, 21 September 2012 (UTC}
This is still not formatted correctly! NapHit (talk) 16:05, 4 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • Ref 7 is International Business Times not Time
  • Ref 12 does not work
  • Likewise ref 24
Thanks for your comments, much appreciated. Regards.--Kürbis (✔) 20:31, 20 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Done a few. Thanks for your comments.--Kürbis (✔) 09:35, 4 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
I'm very troubled by your attitude to this nomination, if you cannot be bothered addressing issues then just withdraw the nomination. We already have a lot of lists in the backlog and if its going to take you two weeks to respond to concerns then I don't think its fair on other nominators who do respond promptly to issues. You've made hardly any attempt to address important issues I've raised above, answering with often incorrect answers such as saying the six-times platinum sentence was referenced at the end of the paragraph when it is not. If you are not prepared to address issues reviewers raise, then why bother nominating in the first place? NapHit (talk) 15:48, 4 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for the support. Regards.--Kürbis (✔) 09:35, 4 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
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