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João Sousa career statistics

Nominator(s): SOAD KoRn (talk) 15:26, 6 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I am nominating this for featured list because it presents a comprehensive list of João Sousa's statistical achievements during his career. Sousa is widely regarded as the greatest Portuguese tennis player ever. The list's development was influenced by other similar pages, including a featured one. I thank you in advance for your feedback. SOAD KoRn (talk) 15:26, 6 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Comments from Parutakupiu:

Disclaimer: I've contributed to this page with 11 edits prior to this nomination (out of 17 edits in total), mostly copyedit-related chages.

Section headers should not be wikilinked.
Section "Top 10 wins" should be renamed to "Wins over top 10 players" for clarity. Similarly, "Singles Grand Slam seedings" should be "Grand Slam singles seedings".
In the Davis Cup results table, the wikilinks should be on the tournament round instead of the date.
Ref. 14 is not a dead url but the news article no longer exists.

Minor issues that you can easily address, SOAD KoRn. Parutakupiu (talk) 21:06, 14 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for your comments, Parutakupiu. All issues were addressed. SOAD KoRn (talk) 01:49, 15 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Just one more: is the {{Performance key}} template under "Performance timeline" necessary, when you have the abbreviations table in the beginning of the page? The only thing in that template that is not repeated is the note saying "To avoid confusion and double counting, these charts are updated either at the conclusion of a tournament, or when the player's participation in the tournament has ended.", which you could add by yourself to the section. Parutakupiu (talk) 02:11, 15 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I never thought about that, to be honest. It's a template used in nearly every tennis player articles, but you're right, it's duplicated in this case. It doesn't make sense to keep it. I only kept the last phrase. SOAD KoRn (talk) 02:21, 15 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Support. The few issues I spotted have been addressed and this list seems fit for promotion. Parutakupiu (talk) 02:29, 15 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Comment I removed some key bloat and moved a key to the proper location. I also standardized it more in line with Tennis project guidelines. Fyunck(click) (talk) 04:07, 15 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for the edits, Fyunck(click). I also noticed that a couple of links are dead, due to recent changes in their host website. I will try to find the correct links for the news articles. SOAD KoRn (talk) 11:05, 15 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Resolved comments from The Rambling Man (talk) 10:38, 15 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Comments

Maybe it's just me but I find the reduced-font-size table at the top of the article somewhat odd, I'd prefer to see the photo there and table below it. Particularly as most of the table is redundant.
I also note that you have no mention of any doubles titles yet in the lead " Sousa has also competed in doubles..."
Wouldn't it be better to list his titles (ATP Challenger, ITF etc) rather than list a load of stuff he hasn't even reached the finals in?
Not sure you need the ranking in the lead, particularly as this will go out of date rapidly.
Ref 17 currently tagged as dead.
In sortable tables we typically link every linkable item every time as there's no guarantee that the linked item will remain as the first instance after a sort.
Where are his winnings referenced?
Finals Reached -> Finals reached. Year-End Ranking -> Year-end ranking. etc etc.
Sousa Rk? Why not just Sousa ranking?
Head-to-head vs. Top 20 ... -> Head-to-head against top 20 ...
Active players in boldface? Violates MOS:BOLD.
I think win % should be all to the same number of d.p.

That's all on a quick fly through. The Rambling Man (talk) 08:53, 6 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

The Rambling Man, thank you for yours comments.

I changed the photo/table order, as proposed.
Wikilinks corrected. Titles and tables c/e as proposed. Active players in boldface removed.
Win % now have zero (0) d.p.
Regarding the dead refs, I tried to contact the website admin a couple of weeks but so far I received no answer back or new links. Therefore, I will change the sources for ref 13 and 17 as soon as I find reliable alternatives.
Titles in minor circuits (Challenger, ITF, etc) are not as relevant as major circuit achievements. This a career statistics article, not just a assemble of titles and finals. I tried to present in the introductory section the main reasons why Sousa stands out, his ATP singles career being the most relevant.
I did not include any doubles title for the reason stated above. He has no doubles title or finals presence at the ATP World Tour level.
In References section, the "General sources" present all data used to reference his winnings. Each season's winnings refer to the sum obtained from singles and doubles activities - it is the same methodology adopted by the ATP. Do you think I should add this information?

If you disagree with any of my points, I will be happy to discuss them with you. If you find any other issue, I will do my best to try and fix it. Regards, SOAD KoRn (talk) 17:39, 6 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I'd like to thanks Parutakupiu for fixing ref 17. I will try to find a solution for ref 13 now. SOAD KoRn (talk) 17:48, 6 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Finally found new link for ref 13. Dead links issue is solved. SOAD KoRn (talk) 17:58, 6 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I kind of agree with TRM on the career finals table in the lead, as Sousa has not yet that many top-tier titles. Instead of a table with just the row filled with numbers other than zero, it's better for now to list his other junior and low-tier professional achievements. Even if not that relevant, they are titles nonetheless and contributed to his career development. When Sousa wins more World Tour titles, I agree that the Challenger and other low-tier titles can be removed from the table. Parutakupiu (talk) 18:10, 6 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, I agree that the table is more informative now and could be modified, depending on how Sousa fares in his ATP World Tour career. Also, I added the following edits to "Career finals" section, per Parutakupiu's suggestions:

Edited the key table titles and removed those key entries that were never used in João's career (except those for ATP World Tour);
Removed links from Category and Surface columns in the tables, as they are already in the key;
Brought the font size to 100% in the last tables, but introduced a code to prevent player names and scores to wrap inside the cell;

After all these edits, I hope I did not forget to address any of The Rambling Man's comments. SOAD KoRn (talk) 18:35, 6 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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