Wikipedia:Featured list candidates/List of 7th Heaven episodes/archive 1
- The following is an archived discussion of a featured list nomination. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the article's talk page. No further edits should be made to this page. The closing editor's comments were: 21 days, 2 support, 1 oppose. No consensus to promote Fail. Scorpion0422 15:05, 6 November 2007 (UTC)
self-nomination - I found this article looking like this, with all content removed, and tagged for speedy delete for copyright violations.
I've created tables like those used in FLs List of The Simpsons episodes and List of Smallville episodes. The colours for seasons 1 through 5 match those used in DVD covers, which as I understand is the consensus. Seasons 6 to 11 have not been released on DVD, and those season tables are in a greyish colour, similar to the Simpsons episode list being in yellow for seasons yet to be released on DVD. When the seasons are released, the colours should be changed accordingly. List includes episode titles, writers, directors, original airdates, and episode numbers.
As such I think the article fits the requirements for a featured list. -- Matthew Edwards | talk | Contribs 22:15, 16 October 2007 (UTC)
Support It could have more references, i.e. for writers, titles, airdates. –thedemonhog talk • edits • box 23:10, 20 October 2007 (UTC)
- Thanks for supporting, Demonhog. I would agree with you, but the only sites with that information are tv.com and imdb.com. The CW has removed the 7th Heaven minisite and accessing www.thewb.com at the Internet Archive doesn't provide the information either. -- Matthew Edwards | talk | Contribs 14:05, 21 October 2007 (UTC)
OpposeI'm sorry, but for a show with 11 seasons, that lead seems entirely inadequate to me (compare the Degrassi list, though that one also has excellent season intro text too).Could the text for the headers of season 3-5 be made white? At least season 3, which is practicaly illegible.
Circeus 02:49, 24 October 2007 (UTC)
- Thanks Circeus for again commenting on my nom again.
- I appreciate what you say, but if you look at FL List of The Simpsons episodes which has 19 seasons, there is not really much more information in that lead than in this (except commenting on the Tracy Ullman show and the movie). I did add a short series overview - I've done that twice before already but there's one bloody User who likes to revert all my work
. I'm expecting it to be removed... - Fixed season three's to white. I did wonder if that would be a problem. I like the season colours to be the same as those used on DVD boxes. As far as I'm aware, that's the in-thing to do! I just couldn't find a lighter colour. I did think about changing the text to white, but I couldn't figure out how to do that! Personally, I think that seasons 4 and 5 are fine as they are, but if more people don't like them, I certainally shall change them.
- I appreciate what you say, but if you look at FL List of The Simpsons episodes which has 19 seasons, there is not really much more information in that lead than in this (except commenting on the Tracy Ullman show and the movie). I did add a short series overview - I've done that twice before already but there's one bloody User who likes to revert all my work
- -- Matthew Edwards | talk | Contribs 05:42, 24 October 2007 (UTC)
- Having season colors is fine, as long as the text color is adjusted where needed for legibility. Circeus 05:45, 24 October 2007 (UTC)
- I just don't know how to change text colour... -- Matthew Edwards | talk | Contribs 20:33, 24 October 2007 (UTC)
- Thanks Circeus for again commenting on my nom again.
- Oppose - sources for all the airdates? I see one for the premiere and the finale in the lead, but not for the others. What is up with the "season number"? Is that an official number? Is that number coming from something, or is that something editor made? Since this is an episode list, the title of the episode should probably come before most of that other information. Speaking of titles, pilots are generally just "Pilot" and not "Pilot episode"...unless it was officially called "Pilot episode". BIGNOLE (Contact me) 04:49, 25 October 2007 (UTC)
- Unfortunately, I don't have sources for all episode dates. The old thewb.com site and the cw.com 7th Heaven sites aren't there any more, and the Internet archive don't show airdates. The only thing to go on is the fact that I watched the show and so I know it!, a fansite, imdb and tv.com, links of which are at the bottom of the page. TV Guide doesn't have them either. Anyway, I appreciate your comments. -- Matthew Edwards | talk | Contribs 05:48, 25 October 2007 (UTC)
- I'm sorry that there aren't sources available, and that the only ones that list that info are the ones that aren't considered reliable.---Goes searching real quick (not being sarcastic, I was in mid type when I decided to try and help)--...wait a minute. TV Guide has dates and titles. See this page. Interestingly enough, it also says "Pilot episode" instead of simply "Pilot". Don't use it for episode counts, as TV Guide will count TV special that may not actually be episodes. They have Smallville at like 144 episodes, when it's only 136--weird. Anyway, their dates and such should be good. But, I see nothing to suggest those season numbers are used, at least not by a reliable source. That the structure of the table can and probably should be adjusted though. BIGNOLE (Contact me) 05:55, 25 October 2007 (UTC)
- Thanks for the TV Guide link, I don't know how I missed it when I looked. You're right about the "season numbers", I did put those there to identify the episode number in the season, so that 305 would be the fifth of the third season. TV.com's 7th Heaven episode listing do have production numbers. The information is repeated on fansites and such; searching for the episode "Anything You Want" and the production code "01496003" on Yahoo here gives results at fansites.hollywood.com, epguides.com, 360.yahoo.com, episodeworld.com and two 7th Heaven fansites at freewebs.com, but I would think these would be considered as unreliable as tv.com and imdb.com, no? -- Matthew Edwards | talk | Contribs 02:46, 26 October 2007 (UTC)
- I'm sorry that there aren't sources available, and that the only ones that list that info are the ones that aren't considered reliable.---Goes searching real quick (not being sarcastic, I was in mid type when I decided to try and help)--...wait a minute. TV Guide has dates and titles. See this page. Interestingly enough, it also says "Pilot episode" instead of simply "Pilot". Don't use it for episode counts, as TV Guide will count TV special that may not actually be episodes. They have Smallville at like 144 episodes, when it's only 136--weird. Anyway, their dates and such should be good. But, I see nothing to suggest those season numbers are used, at least not by a reliable source. That the structure of the table can and probably should be adjusted though. BIGNOLE (Contact me) 05:55, 25 October 2007 (UTC)