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List of BBC National Short Story Award winners

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Nominator(s): Il lupa (talk) 13:02, 9 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

This is a comprehensive list of writers shortlisted for the annual BBC National Short Story Award. It's the first list article that I've made but, as far as I can tell, it meets all the criteria for a featured list. Il lupa (talk) 13:02, 9 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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  • "(previously known as the National Short Story Award, 2006-2007)" - I think "(known as the National Short Story Award in 2006 and 2007)" would work better
  • "It is an annual short story contest in the United Kingdom which is open to UK residents and nationals" - I would move it to the first sentence i.e. "The BBC National Short Story Award is an annual....." and then move the bit about it being prestigious into the second sentence
  • "the winners receives" - this should be easier "the winner receives" or "the winners receive" but not what you have currently
  • Both notes need a full stop
  • That's all I got - great first nom! -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 18:50, 9 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Thanks for the feedback, I've made all the improvements you suggested Il lupa (talk) 13:07, 11 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 19:54, 11 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
MPGuy2824
  • Sorting the results column should put the runner-ups between the winners and the short-listed candidates.
  • Tables need column scopes for all column header cells, which in combination with row scopes lets screen reader software accurately determine and read out the headers for each cell of a data table. Column scopes can be added by adding !scope=col to each header cell, e.g. ! Year becomes !scope=col | Year. If the cell spans multiple columns with a colspan, then use !scope=colgroup instead.
  • Tables need row scopes on the "primary" column for each row, which in combination with column scopes lets screen reader software accurately determine and read out the headers for each cell of a data table. Row scopes can be added by adding !scope=row to each primary cell, e.g. | 2001 becomes !scope=row | 2001 (on its own line). If the cell spans multiple rows with a rowspan, then use !scope=rowgroup instead.
  • Please see MOS:DTAB for example table code if this isn't clear. -MPGuy2824 (talk) 05:49, 10 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    I have fixed the results column sorting and added column and row scopes. I'm pretty sure I've done it correctly but please let me know if I'm wrong! Il lupa (talk) 13:49, 11 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Your changes look good. Another issue: The last column in every table sometimes has multiple references. You can use the {{Ref.}} template for each of the column headers to take care of this. Please ping me here when you are done. -MPGuy2824 (talk) 05:59, 13 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    @MPGuy2824 I have updated the headers. Il lupa (talk) 13:03, 13 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support promotion. -MPGuy2824 (talk) 09:48, 15 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Source review - BennyOnTheLoose

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Happy to discuss any of these points. Regards, BennyOnTheLoose (talk) 15:53, 16 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@BennyOnTheLoose Thanks for all your feedback! I've gone through and updated everything apart from two small things:
  • I agree that it would be better to change "Each year, the winner receives £15,000 and four shortlisted writers receive £600 each..." to "As of 2017..." but I don't technically have a source for the year, I can just tell by looking at past winners. Given that, I'm not sure if I should change the sentence?
  • I do not have a 2024 source for Sarah Hall.
If I've missed anything or made any mistakes, let me know. Il lupa (talk) 16:37, 22 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Il lupa: Thanks, just a couple of points pending. BennyOnTheLoose (talk) 10:01, 23 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • For the two points you've mentioned above, I think MOS:NOW gives some helpful advice about rewording.
  • Lead has the BBC quote ""the most prestigious [award] for a single short story", but the more independent (London Met) has "one of the most prestigious for a single short story". I think it would be better to add the "one of" qualification, unless there is another good source.
  • "As of 2018, the BBC National Short Story Award has not had an all-male shortlist" - I think it should be "As of 2018, the BBC National Short Story Award had not had an all-male shortlist"

Source review

  • I made some changes suggested by scripts, including one for consistency in how dates appear. Please review to see if there are any issues with those changes.
  • ISSN is not required for newspapers, but if you are including it then it should be there for all citations, for consistency.
  • Some inconsistency in how sources are shown, e.g. first ref has BBC, but "Fifteenth BBC National Short Story Award shortlist revealed" has www.bbc.co.uk.
  • publisher=The Globe and Mail location=Toronto - inconsistent with other cite news templates used here. I think it's best to just use work (or newspaper).
  • Similarly, Belfast Telegraph should be either work or newspaper, not "publisher"
  • WP:RSN has "no consensus" for reliability of The Spectator. I think for what it's supporting here, it's fine to use that publication.
  • No concerns with the reliability and suitability of the other sources used, for the topic and the information supported.
  • The info in the Notes is cited in the lead. Personally I'd prefer that the sources were added to the footnotes too, but it wouldn't be grounds for a source review failure if they were not.
  • I think that the text Includes full text of story after the Creamer & Wood citation is fine, as there is no suitable parameter in the cite news template that I can see.
  • What makes the BBC itself a suitable source for "It has been described as 'the most prestigious [award] for a single short story"?
  • The quote in the previous bullet should be in double quotion marks. (MOS:DOUBLE)
  • Spot check on "the richest prize in the world for a single short story" - no issues (except "Richard Lea" should appear as "Lea, Richard")
  • "Rosemary Westwood" should appear as Rosemary "Westwood, Rosemary"
  • Spot check on "Each year, the winner receives £15,000 and four shortlisted writers receive £600 each" - supported by the source; but I wonder if it would be better to phrase this with something like "As of 2024..." given that later we find out that originally "while runners up received £3,000 and shortlisted writers £500 each". Also, the prizes might not always be the same amounts in future.
  • "£500 each.[5][4]" - some editors prefer citations in numerical order. Not necessary to swap the five and four, but you could if you wanted to. (Same with "[4][1]" and "[16][1]")
  • Spot check on "It was founded in 2005 and announced at the Edinburgh International Book Festival the same year" - no issues
  • Optionally, you could add an author-link= parameter for Aida Edemariam.
  • Spot check on "The BBC National Short Story Award has never had an all-male shortlist" - source is from 2018 so cannot support "never"
  • Spot check on " In 2009, only women were featured on the shortlist" - no issues
  • Spot check on "Sarah Hall, who won the award in 2013 and 2020, is the only writer to have won the award twice" - source is from 2020 so can't support info from after that. It's perhaps fair to argue that it is supported by the fully cited tables later in the article, but is there a 2024 source that confirms this?

General comments

  • Per MOS:£, £ should only be wikilinked, if at all, at the first instance.
  • "Canadian writer D. W. Wilson became the youngest ever recipient of the award in 2011" - consider adding the author's age at time of winning.
  • I think that If a book is locked there's probably a good reason for that, don't you think? and And the moon descends on the temple that was might need some extra capitals - please review MOS:TITLECAPS and let me know what you think.
@Il lupa: Just making sure you're aware that feedback has been provided. Hey man im josh (talk) 14:21, 22 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for tagging me! Il lupa (talk) 16:28, 22 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@BennyOnTheLoose I believe I've fixed all the issues except for the fact that I don't have a source for when the prize amounts changed so I can't see how to reword it to be clearer Il lupa (talk) 17:01, 23 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Il lupa: How about something like "Naomi Wood won the 2023 award for Comorbidities and received £15,000. The other four shortlisted writers received £600 each." ? (I realised that Wood wasn't mentioned in the intro.) Regards, BennyOnTheLoose (talk) 09:34, 24 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@BennyOnTheLoose Does Wood need to be mentioned in the intro? If not, I would probably be inclined to leave the lead as it is. Il lupa (talk) 15:17, 25 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Il lupa: no, so how about something like "In 2023 the winner received £15,000 and the other four shortlisted writers received £600 each."? Regards, BennyOnTheLoose (talk) 15:28, 25 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@BennyOnTheLoose I've switched up the wording and references slightly so it should now be clear and address your original concern. Let me know what you think! Il lupa (talk) 18:08, 25 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Il lupa: Thanks! All looks good now. Great work. Regards, BennyOnTheLoose (talk) 08:31, 26 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Promoted. --PresN 14:39, 27 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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