Wikipedia:Featured list candidates/List of German World War II jet aces

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The list was promoted by User:Matthewedwards 08:16, 25 May 2008 [1].

List of German World War II jet aces

The list is complete and feel it could meet the featured list criteria. Please have a look at let me know what you think. MisterBee1966 (talk) 16:34, 27 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Comments from The Rambling Man (talk · contribs)

Is there a reason that "Jet" is capitalised? Done
Portraits are good, but need to use upright rather than have their size forced, per the advice at WP:MOS. Done
"The jet aircraft entered World War II" - The jet? Why not just "Jet aircraft..."? And unless they were first used and downed the Mosquito on the same day, this needs rephrasing. Done
Expand RAF, link it, then add (RAF) to it on its first use. Done
What does "W.Nr. 130 017." mean? Done
Perhaps a rephrase but to some it may appear that the Luftwaffe had three jet aircraft in total. Presumably they had squadrons of these? Done reworded
Cite your definition of ace. Done it was cited
"Jet Victories" in the table probably just needs to read "Jet victories", or, since this is about jet aces, just "Victories". Done
"Total Wartime Victories" could just be "Total wartime victories". Done
I would force column widths because right now, the notes in Arnold's row are killing the whole of the rest of the table for me.
20+ needs explicit explanation. Done
Many red links... Done

That's a start. The Rambling Man (talk) 15:41, 28 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Comments from Woody (talk · contribs)

I think it looks good at the moment. Couple of comments before supporting:
~~Is there a way of highlighting those who died in action?~~ Done I highlighted those killed in action and killed in flying accidenet MisterBee1966 (talk) 22:20, 13 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
~~Could we add a section header before the table, perhaps named German jet aces.~~ Done MisterBee1966 (talk) 22:31, 13 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Currently there are 20% red links for the pilots. Per the WIAFL 1 (a) 1 (brings together a group of existing articles related by well-defined entry criteria;) I think it needs to be at least 90% (that is an arbitrary personal preference I know). I just think there should be a few more links. Done created stubs MisterBee1966 (talk) 22:50, 13 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
So, great list, just a couple of issues. Thanks. Woody (talk) 18:29, 13 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
~~You are going to have to put fair-use rationales on the image pages that aren't freely licensed. Currently they are not licensed for use on this article. Until that is sorted I have to Oppose.~~ Woody (talk) 21:43, 13 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Done MisterBee1966 (talk) 22:28, 13 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Hmm, not done in my eyes. Not all of the information that is needed is there, you simply have a link to the article. You need to explain why it is fair-use in this list, which will be hard to explain. I think the Template:Non-free use rationale could be helpful here. Woody (talk) 08:31, 14 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Done according to spec. Thanks for the help MisterBee1966 (talk) 10:10, 14 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Support now. I centre aligned the numerical columns as it looks better and is the standard thing to do. I tried to fix the column widths, but at lower resolutions it destroys the table with the images overlapping. Anyway, I support now. Good work. Woody (talk) 10:41, 14 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Comment Everything in the notes column needs a citation. -- Scorpion⁰⁴²² 23:04, 13 May 2008 (UTC) DoneMisterBee1966 (talk) 06:49, 14 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Questions Just a couple of question before I can support:

Which references actually reference each ace? Can a reference for each ace be included in the notes column? My main source is Morgan, Hugh & Weal, John (1998). German Jet Aces of World War 2. London: Orsprey Publishing Limited. ISBN 1-85532-634-5. You should see this sourced referenced multiple times. I have this source referenced in the lead section but if you deem it necessary I can add it here too. MisterBee1966 (talk) 22:23, 23 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Is there a navbox for the bottom of the page?
No not yet but I like Woody's idea about creating a Nav box for the pilots MisterBee1966 (talk) 22:37, 23 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Are there any similar pages you can link to in a See also section?
Done added List of World War II aces from Germany in a "See also" section. MisterBee1966 (talk) 22:35, 23 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
~~Why is this list any different to List of World War II aces from Germany, and why does that one have way more entries than this?~~ -- Matthewedwards (talk · contribs · count · email) 21:09, 23 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

If I may, with regards to 3 and 4, see also sections are regarded by some, me included as sections for items that you are yet to include in the article; points for development. I see a lack of a see also section as meaning the article is somewhere near complete. With regards to number 4, this is for aces who used jet aircraft, in World War II, jet aircraft were the exception, not the norm. As the Lead says, these were only introduced in 1944, so the number will be greatly reduced from the number in the main list. Woody (talk) 22:07, 23 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
With regards to 3, I meant is there a List of American World War II jet aces or List of British World War II jet aces, and include List of World War II aces from Germany. -- Matthewedwards (talk · contribs · count · email) 22:12, 23 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

There won't be because they didn't develop operational jet aircraft until 1945, and only then used them for defence against the V1 rockets and a few ground attacks. As such, the Germans were pretty unique in having jet aces in WWII. A navbox for all the air aces articles could be useful though. Woody (talk) 22:16, 23 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I added a section "See also" with List of World War II aces from Germany. To my knowledge the Germans were the only ones to produce jet aces in WW2. MisterBee1966 (talk) 22:34, 23 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I removed the see also section and added Template:Lists of flying aces. (also indented your earlier comments for readability. Woody (talk) 22:48, 23 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Support I think this now meets all the criteria. Well done. Matthewedwards (talk · contribs · count · email) 06:16, 25 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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