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The list was promoted by PresN via FACBot (talk) 00:25, 19 September 2023 (UTC) [1].[reply]

List of Houston Texans seasons

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Nominator(s): ULPS (talk) 02:57, 13 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

This is my second National Football League FLC. This list documents the 21 seasons played by the Houston Texans in the NFL. Thanks in advance to everyone who provides their feedback :) ULPS (talk) 02:57, 13 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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  • I would lose the rather meta "The list documents the season-by-season records of the Houston Texans' franchise from 2002 to present, including postseason records, and league awards for individual players or head coaches." It's fairly obvious that an article entitled "List of Houston Texans seasons" would document "the season-by-season records of the Houston Texans' franchise" so there's no need to state it in prose.
  • Merge the second, very short, paragraph with the first
  • Both keys show multiple items not actually used in the table - there's no need for this, especially the massive awards key, seven of the entries in which aren't needed
  • Conversely, "WPMOY" is in the table but not in the key
  • O'Brien image caption needs a full stop
  • In the same caption, the words "in the NFL" aren't needed, as where else would he have coached them?
  • You are inconsistent in the table with regards to re-linking names used multiple times. The coaches whose names appear twice are only linked on the first usage, yet JJ Watts is linked four times. -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 06:48, 13 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    I believe I addressed all of your comments. For the "key" section referring to playoff success (super bowl wins, conference wins, etc.) I think it's worth keeping for the sake of parity with the other List of seasons FLs, as well as on the unlikely chance that the Texans actually become good. Plus, it is pretty small compared to that awards key lol, which I have shrunk to the only 3 awards actually mentioned. ULPS (talk) 16:38, 13 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 17:09, 13 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Verification check by MrLinkinPark333

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  • Not cited in 2016 Houston Chronicle source:
    • The team was owned by Bob McNair until his death in 2018," - bolded part only
    • "following McNair's death, the majority ownership of the team went to his wife, Janice."
    • "The Texans are the youngest franchise currently competing in the NFL"
  • Pro-Football-Reference:
    • Texans were 3rd in 2017, not 4th
    • 2017 Awards Voting doesn't have Walter Payton Man of the Year for Watt. The source can be swapped out with this Pro-Football-Reference source.
  • Not cited by Sporting News
    • "They are the only franchise to have never won a road playoff game"
    • "the only one to have never appeared in a conference championship game."
    • "and division rival Jacksonville Jaguars." - Sporting News doesn't specify the Jaguars are the rivals to the Texans.

--MrLinkinPark333 (talk) 00:30, 14 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Added sources for all and just removed the division rival bit, it was kinda crufty anyway. ULPS (talk) 02:07, 14 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Almost all set. 2 points left. 1) Dawson 2019 only mentions Janice McClain as the owner, so majority isn't needed. 2) McClain 2016 no longer needed as NFL citation verifies the youngest team sentence. --MrLinkinPark333 (talk) 00:02, 15 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Oops, all done now :) ULPS (talk) 01:53, 15 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Comments from Hey man im josh

This is my first FLC review, so I'm sorry if I've missed anything. The list appears to meet all of the featured list critera, having an appropriate style, structure, prose, and lead while comprehensively covering the defined scope. Knit picks:

  • J. J. Watt has won three DPOY awards and one WPMOY award while playing for the Texans – I think this caption under the J. J. Watt picture reads better if you remove the word "has".
  • Bill O'Brien served as the head coach of the Houston Texans from 2014 to 2020... – I would lose "of the Houston Texans" from this caption.
  • Is there a reason you chose not to include a win percentage column, similar to the ones at List of Chicago Bears seasons and List of Detroit Lions seasons? The inclusion of such a column is inconsistent across pages in Category:National Football League teams seasons, but I thought I'd ask about it.

I'm not finding much to critique with this list. Hey man im josh (talk) 17:37, 16 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I made the first two changes. I think the win percentage column isn't needed. Most of the season FLs don't have it, and it's not needed for understanding as the number of games played has stayed mostly the same. Plus, it would make that huge table even huger. Basically, some downsides with almost no gain. Hope that makes sense. ULPS (talk • contribs) 20:26, 16 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Support -- Hey man im josh (talk) 03:04, 17 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Accessibility review (MOS:DTAB)

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  • Tables need captions, which allow screen reader software to jump straight to named tables without having to read out all of the text before it each time. Visual captions can be added by putting |+ caption_text as the first line of the table code; if that caption would duplicate a nearby section header, you can make it screen-reader-only by putting |+ {{sronly|caption_text}} instead.
  • Tables need column scopes for all column header cells, which in combination with row scopes lets screen reader software accurately determine and read out the headers for each cell of a data table. Column scopes can be added by adding !scope=col to each header cell, e.g. !Finish becomes !scope=col | Finish. If the cell spans multiple columns with a colspan, then use !scope=colgroup instead. You have this on most of them, but are missing "Regular season" and the 3 below it.
  • Tables need row scopes on the "primary" column for each row, which in combination with column scopes lets screen reader software accurately determine and read out the headers for each cell of a data table. Row scopes can be added by adding !scope=row to each primary cell, e.g. !{{nfly|2002}} becomes !scope=row | {{nfly|2002}}. If the cell spans multiple rows with a rowspan, then use !scope=rowgroup instead.
  • Please see MOS:DTAB for example table code if this isn't clear. I don't return to these reviews until the nomination is ready to close, so ping me if you have any questions. --PresN 01:57, 29 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@PresN: Honestly kinda embarassed I missed that, but I believe I have gotten to fixing all of those issues :) ULPS (talk • contribs) 14:07, 29 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Source review

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As this page is currently listed with a source reviewed needed, I thought I'd look it over.

  • Link checker shows no issues
  • References are all reliable for the information being reported
  • Consistent date formatting
  • Consistent publisher/website formatting
  • Appropriate wikilinks where applicable

Source review passed. I already supported above, but I support still / harder now. Hey man im josh (talk) 16:02, 29 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

MyCatIsAChonk
  • Hate to say it, but why are super bowl wins, conference wins, and wild card berths listed in the key if they're not present in the table?

Support - my comment is really just a minor detail, I see no other issues- great work! MyCatIsAChonk (talk) (not me) (also not me) (still no) 19:42, 3 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I could remove them I guess, but as I mentioned earlier it is a small key and it helps for parity with every other FL related to NFL seasons. The Texans are uniquely bad in this regard I suppose, usually teams have a little more to show than divisional championships. ULPS (talk • contribs) 20:13, 3 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Promoting. --PresN 15:18, 18 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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