Wikipedia:Featured list candidates/List of Irish Victoria Cross recipients

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The list was promoted 15:55, 18 April 2008.

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List of Irish Victoria Cross recipients

This is another of the Victoria Cross recipients lists. It follows on from List of Victoria Cross recipients by nationality and its "sublists" Australian and Canadian recipients, all FLs. It meets all the criteria as far as I can tell and it has built upon comments in previous FLCs. Thanks for your time. Woody (talk) 14:41, 7 April 2008 (UTC)

Resolved stuff from The Rambling Man (talk) 17:11, 7 April 2008 (UTC)

Comments from The Rambling Man (talk · contribs) (no groaning please...!)

Hopefully these won't be too irksome...

• Image caption is a fragment so no full stop required.
• (Post-nominal...) doesn't need to be capitalised.
• "The Victoria Cross was the highest war honour..." followed by "The Victoria Cross (Post-nominal letters "VC") is a military award for extraordinary valour..." - I'm confused a little here. I guess the first sentence remarked on when it was awarded in the "old days" but the sentences switch tense, the second instance of Victoria Cross is emboldened and its post-nominal explained (which should happen first time round). Perhaps a little work could be done here.
• In fact, the first para of the lead switches pretty much every sentence from "is" to "was" and repeats itself a little.
• There are 169 and while I accept they're awarded rarely, is it worth stating that "As of April 2008, "?
• I think the lead could use a couple of citations, statements like "Both Catholic and Protestant officers and servicemen born in Ireland served alongside each other in the British Military." for example.
• "8 Irishmen" eight.
• Several of the recipients have images you can use - I don't want to impose style on anyone but you could illustrate the article more like Wisden Cricketers of the Year. But that's purely a personal opinion and feel free to ignore me entirely.
• "5 people were awarded " - five.

Otherwise a great list. The Rambling Man (talk) 15:55, 7 April 2008 (UTC)

No, not too irksome at all! (Still apologetic about that!) Done all the little fixes now. The Lead was confused, I think I have fixed it with a rewrite and a citation.

With regards to the images: I don't think it would work for this list or many of the VC lists. They are cramped enough as it is, when I went down in resolution, there is simply no room to put them in. Thanks for the review. Woody (talk) 16:28, 7 April 2008 (UTC)

Ok, no worries. I switch between 1024 wide and 2 x 1600 so I guess it's easy to forget. I'll re-review. The Rambling Man (talk) 16:31, 7 April 2008 (UTC)

Was it just that 169 was wrong? You've got 188 now (in the lead, I haven't counted!). I've moved the explanation of VC back on sentence. Otherwise I'm virtually done. The Rambling Man (talk) 16:37, 7 April 2008 (UTC)

Yes I had updated the "War" tallies earlier, but forgot about the main tally. Thanks for your fix and review. Woody (talk) 16:39, 7 April 2008 (UTC)

One last thing, and forgive my ignorance, but you have "Nourse's (Transvaal) Horse" and "Imperial Light Horse (Natal)" - it seems inconsistent to me but since both are red-linked I wouldn't really know. Can you shed some light for me? The Rambling Man (talk) 16:48, 7 April 2008 (UTC)

I am more of a Navy man, and am in no way an expert on the intricacies of the Army Battalion structure. It is linked to Battalions and Regiments. There is the Queen's Royal Regiment (West Surrey) and then 31st (Huntingdonshire) Regiment of Foot, just look at the Lineage of Princess of Wales's Royal Regiment for an example of how complicated it is. You could try over at the British Milhist task force or the more active talk page if you want a deep explanation.

As it is, I have reworded it to Nourse's Horse (Transvaal) after reading [1] Woody (talk) 17:02, 7 April 2008 (UTC)

• Support all my concerns rapidly addressed, great list. The Rambling Man (talk) 17:11, 7 April 2008 (UTC)
• Comment Support Before I make any decision, I was wondering if there was a specific reason that some of the recipients have notes, but most don't? Cromdog (talk) 16:46, 8 April 2008 (UTC)
  • The notes are for extraordinary circumstances say the Andaman Islands recipients who weren't "in the presence of the enemy". It also lists the couple of cases where if you go to the page e.g. Robert Scott (VC) it says he was an English recipient, so I added in the notes to avoid confusion. They will become redundant once I get the articles up to scratch I suppose. Woody (talk) 16:57, 8 April 2008 (UTC)
    • Ok, that sounds good to me. Cromdog (talk) 19:27, 13 April 2008 (UTC)
• Comment James Joseph Magennis's unit is listed as HMS Stygian (P249), but in the List of Victoria Cross recipients of the Royal Navy it is down as HMS XE3. I suspect that HMS XE3 is the more accurate, as Stygian towed the midget submarine into the area, stood by whilst Magennis & Co did the deed, and then picked them up and towed them back after it was done, but then perhaps there's a reason for listing Stygian? Benea (talk) 02:58, 11 April 2008 (UTC)
  • One of the sources said the Stygian, but I checked Ashcroft which said it was the HMS XE.3, and Magennis's VC was the first one Ashcroft bought so he has researched it a lot. I believe that they must have listed the Stygian as the ship, due to it being the base of operations. Thanks. Woody (talk) 11:55, 11 April 2008 (UTC)
    • Support - another excellent list. Benea (talk) 18:46, 17 April 2008 (UTC)
• Support Great job. This looks like a great list. Gary King (talk) 07:45, 16 April 2008 (UTC)

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