Wikipedia:Featured list candidates/List of New York Islanders team captains/archive1
- The following is an archived discussion of a featured list nomination. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the article's talk page or in Wikipedia talk:Featured list candidates. No further edits should be made to this page.
The list was not promoted by Dabomb87 22:35, 1 August 2009 [1].
- Nominator(s): iMatthew talk at 13:46, 19 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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I've read this over a few times, and everything looks okay to me. However, when we write things, they always look fine to us. So any and all help is appreciated. Nonetheless, I believe it meets the criteria. iMatthew talk at 13:46, 19 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment There's an error in Potvin's playoff stats:
. Otherwise it looks OK. --Maxim(talk) 15:12, 19 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Fixed. iMatthew talk at 15:40, 19 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- There's one disambiguation link; check the toolbox. Dabomb87 (talk) 15:56, 19 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Done. iMatthew talk at 17:23, 19 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Resolved comments from Truco
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- Neutral -- Previous issues resolved/clarified; 3b issue needs discussion.--Truco 503 15:11, 1 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Neutral Support; although all issues were resolved and the list meets most of the criteria, I'm not sure it meets 3b, and it's worth more discussion. Dabomb87 (talk) 22:41, 28 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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Comments from Dabomb87 (talk · contribs)
"The franchise has had a total of eleven team captains."-->The franchise has had 11 team captains.
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Sources look good. Dabomb87 (talk) 02:17, 24 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Netural I see it being FL level, but the possiblity it could be merged is still there so I don't feel like I should vote support nor should I vote oppose.--WillC 15:14, 30 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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- (ec) Oppose – 3b. Sorry to come in and drop a bomb on this discussion, but at the last NHL captains FLC, it was decided that a seperate list was unnecessary. Several reviewers, including myself, suggested that the captains be highlighted on teams' player lists instead. Taking into account the fact that this list is much shorter than the Blackhawks' list, I believe this fails the much-discussed new criterion against content forks. Giants2008 (17–14) 01:32, 29 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- I'd have to disagree. This list goes into more detail about the team's captaincy, and I do believe (not just because I'm looking for this to pass) that it deserves it's own article. It could probably be merged with the players list, but that gets rid of a lot of the information. It doesn't allow readers to know when the players was captain, and their statistics from their term as captain. iMatthew talk at 01:37, 29 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- I don't think that Wikipedia's only coverage on the history of Islanders' captains should be covered by a silly color code on a (currently non-existent) table, containing every player to ever play for the team. iMatthew talk at 01:40, 29 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- I've also questioned if this is long enough for its own article. I can see this easily fitting into another article.--WillC 01:57, 29 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Did you read my reply? iMatthew talk at 02:01, 29 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Yes, I did.--WillC 02:47, 29 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Looking at the list again, I'd have to agree that this could reasonably be merged. If you wanted, you could create a separate section in the players list in which you could put this table. Dabomb87 (talk) 02:20, 29 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- I don't think that's possible. The players list is already long enough as a plain list. It's on my list of projects to do. When I expand it, the list will be turned into a big table, like the other players lists. In that huge article, which I was trying to even cut in half (see User talk:Resolute) I don't see room for another list and more prose. iMatthew talk at 10:28, 29 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- List of Chicago Blackhawks players has a paragraph in the lead on team captains, so some of that detail could be included in a players list. Also, I'd expect that all of the table's information would be included as well. Unfortunately, there's nothing unique about this list that merits a split, hence the 3b problem. Giants2008 (17–14) 22:13, 1 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- I don't think that's possible. The players list is already long enough as a plain list. It's on my list of projects to do. When I expand it, the list will be turned into a big table, like the other players lists. In that huge article, which I was trying to even cut in half (see User talk:Resolute) I don't see room for another list and more prose. iMatthew talk at 10:28, 29 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Did you read my reply? iMatthew talk at 02:01, 29 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- I've also questioned if this is long enough for its own article. I can see this easily fitting into another article.--WillC 01:57, 29 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Oppose - per 3b - sorry, but in my opinion, this list is a content fork because it can be merged.—Chris! ct 01:34, 30 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Can you explain how it could be merged, and where? I gave an explanation above about why it really can't be merged. A list of team captains shouldn't have colors on a (currently non-existent) table be it's only representation on Wikipedia. It is a notable topic. It was also suggested adding the table and prose to the players list. That wouldn't work, because it's already very long. A discussion is even going on about splitting the goalies and skaters on the players list (into different articles) because it's so long. iMatthew talk at 11:04, 30 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment -- I see how this could potentially be 3b, just because it passes the "theoretical" 10-item rule does not mean it automatically deserves a list by itself. The only way I see that this could pass 3b is if the tables were expanded to add more about the captains and not just stats, or just make 'em larger in general. If not, I think a fix-up of List of New York Islanders players might be needed and this captains list merged in there.--Truco 503 15:11, 1 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- I agree totally with Truco.—Chris! ct 19:19, 1 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- If the Islanders players list proves to be too long, you can always split it alphabetically: List of New York Islanders players (A–M) and List of New York Islanders players (N–Z). Dabomb87 (talk) 19:22, 1 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- What additional information do you suggest adding to the table? Dabomb, then where would the team captains go? A-M or N-Z? iMatthew talk at 19:24, 1 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- You could put in a dedicated table for captains whose last names begin with the given letters, and use a {{see}} link for convenient access to the other list of captains. Dabomb87 (talk) 19:35, 1 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- What additional information do you suggest adding to the table? Dabomb, then where would the team captains go? A-M or N-Z? iMatthew talk at 19:24, 1 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- If the Islanders players list proves to be too long, you can always split it alphabetically: List of New York Islanders players (A–M) and List of New York Islanders players (N–Z). Dabomb87 (talk) 19:22, 1 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- I agree totally with Truco.—Chris! ct 19:19, 1 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose - This is how it would look like if the article was merged into the main one. The only thing that could strike my oppose is if new information is given for the NYI captains. Also, could someone nominate List of Vancouver Canucks captains for FLRC? That would be appreciated. -- [[SRE.K.A.L.|L.A.K.ERS]] 19:38, 1 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- I'll figure out what to do with it soon. I'll probably wind up merging it back into the main NYI article. Thanks for your input, everybody! Please close this as withdrawn, iMatthew talk at 22:21, 1 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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