Wikipedia:Featured list candidates/List of Olympic medalists in short track speed skating

The following is an archived discussion of a featured list nomination. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the article's talk page or in Wikipedia talk:Featured list candidates. No further edits should be made to this page.

The list was promoted by Matthewedwards 21:15, 10 February 2009 [1].

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List of Olympic medalists in short track speed skating

Nominator(s): Scorpion⁰⁴²²

Based on the List of Olympic medalists in alpine skiing and List of Olympic medalists in freestyle skiing, except with many of the kinks and flaws already worked out. This is a WikiCup submission. -- Scorpion⁰⁴²² 18:33, 27 January 2009 (UTC)

Resolved comments from Truco

Comments from Truco (talk · contribs) The first Winter Olympics, held in 1924, included Speed skating, but the first official short track speed skating events were not held until the 1992 Winter Olympics in Albertville, France. - 1)decapitalize Speed 2)In the "city, country" link, France shouldn't be linked since its a common country Done. The results of those events are not considered official and are not included here. - instead of here, how about "in this list"? Done. For the 500 metre and 3000 metre table, how about using a format with the bullets and indented bullets (like the country in the first bullet and the medalists with indented bullets) I gave it a try with the 5000 table below. What do you think? That's perfect.--TRUCO 19:17, 28 January 2009 (UTC) Is it possible to add who the first medalists and most recent were for each event?--TRUCO 03:13, 28 January 2009 (UTC) I'm assuming you mean in the lead, and I don't think it's really necessary (especially since we would have to list at least 16). -- Scorpion0422 19:10, 28 January 2009 (UTC) That's fine then.--TRUCO 19:17, 28 January 2009 (UTC) Experimental medal table with bullets Games Gold Silver Bronze 1992 Albertville  South Korea (KOR) Kim Ki-hoon Lee Joon-Ho Mo Ji-Soo Song Jae-Kun  Canada (CAN) Frédéric Blackburn Laurent Daignault Michel Daignault Sylvain Gagnon Mark Lackie  Japan (JPN) Yuichi Akasaka Tatsuyoshi Ishihara Toshinobu Kawai Tsutomu Kawasaki 1994 Lillehammer  Italy (ITA) Maurizio Carnino Orazio Fagone Hugo Herrnhof Mirko Vuillermin  United States (USA) Randy Bartz John Coyle Eric Flaim Andrew Gabel  Australia (AUS) Steven Bradbury Kieran Hansen Andrew Murtha Richard Nizielski 1998 Nagano  Canada (CAN) Eric Bédard Derrick Campbell François Drolet Marc Gagnon  South Korea (KOR) Chae Ji-Hoon Lee Jun-Hwan Lee Ho-Eung Kim Dong-Sung  China (CHN) Li Jiajun Feng Kai Yuan Ye An Yulong 2002 Salt Lake City  Canada (CAN) Eric Bédard Marc Gagnon Jonathan Guilmette Francois-Louis Tremblay Mathieu Turcotte  Italy (ITA) Michele Antonioli Maurizio Carnino Fabio Carta Nicola Franceschina Nicola Rodigari  China (CHN) An Yulong Feng Kai Guo Wei Li Jiajun Li Ye 2006 Turin  South Korea (KOR) Ahn Hyun Soo Lee Ho-Suk Oh Se-Jong Seo Ho-Jin Song Suk-Woo  Canada (CAN) Eric Bédard Jonathan Guilmette Charles Hamelin Francois-Louis Tremblay Mathieu Turcotte  United States (USA) Alex Izykowski J. P. Kepka Apolo Anton Ohno Rusty Smith

• Support - problems resolved to meet WP:WIAFL.20:48, 28 January 2009 (UTC)TRUCO

Comment "South Korean Yang Yang (A) is one of six athletes to win five medals in short track speed skating." should be "Chinese Yang Yang is one of six athletes to win five medals in short track speed skating."—Chris! _ct 19:42, 28 January 2009 (UTC)

Yes, you are correct that she is from China. In regards to the (A), it is used to differentiate her from her fellow speed skater Yang Yang (S). -- Scorpion⁰⁴²² 19:58, 28 January 2009 (UTC)

Good, I support.—Chris! _ct 22:10, 28 January 2009 (UTC)

Support, all issues resolved. I found it interesting that the German version was also featured. Dabomb87 (talk) 18:16, 31 January 2009 (UTC)

Resolved issues, Dabomb87 (talk)

Comments from Dabomb87 (talk · contribs)

• "Prior to"-->Before.
  • Done.
• "The men's and women's 1500 metres was" "was"-->were, we are talking about two things here (men's 1500 and women's 1500).
  • Done.
• "A total of" Redundant.
  • Done.
• "Eric Bédard"-->Éric Bédard
  • Done.
• "Francois-Louis Tremblay"-->François-Louis Tremblay
  • Done.
• "Ahn Hyun Soo"-->Ahn Hyun-Soo
  • Done.
• " Jin Sun-yu"--> Jin Sun-Yu
  • Done.
• "Chun Lee-kyung"-->Chun Lee-Kyung
  • Done.
• "Kim Yun-Mi"-->Kim Yoon-Mi Dabomb87 (talk) 15:48, 31 January 2009 (UTC)
  • Done.

Sources

• Ref 4 needs format=PDF added to the citation template. Dabomb87 (talk) 15:48, 31 January 2009 (UTC)
  • Done. Thanks for the review. -- Scorpion⁰⁴²² 17:16, 31 January 2009 (UTC)

Strong oppose, there is no need to change the style of the medalists in the relay events! We have hundreds of Olympic pages which list the medalists in team competitions NOT in this style. All Olympic page had and have an established style up to now... Kind regards Doma-w (talk) 19:33, 31 January 2009 (UTC)

That's not exactly a major issue. What's wrong with it? I think it makes the table neater, more organized and easier to read. -- Scorpion⁰⁴²² 21:36, 31 January 2009 (UTC)

Would you prefer something like this instead:

Experimental medal table with indents

Games	Gold	Silver	Bronze
1992 Albertville	South Korea (KOR)      Kim Ki-hoon      Lee Joon-Ho      Mo Ji-Soo      Song Jae-Kun	Canada (CAN)      Frédéric Blackburn      Laurent Daignault      Michel Daignault      Sylvain Gagnon      Mark Lackie	Japan (JPN)      Yuichi Akasaka      Tatsuyoshi Ishihara      Toshinobu Kawai      Tsutomu Kawasaki
1994 Lillehammer	Italy (ITA)      Maurizio Carnino      Orazio Fagone      Hugo Herrnhof      Mirko Vuillermin	United States (USA)      Randy Bartz      John Coyle      Eric Flaim      Andrew Gabel	Australia (AUS)      Steven Bradbury      Kieran Hansen      Andrew Murtha      Richard Nizielski
1998 Nagano	Canada (CAN)      Éric Bédard      Derrick Campbell      François Drolet      Marc Gagnon	South Korea (KOR)      Chae Ji-Hoon      Lee Jun-Hwan      Lee Ho-Eung      Kim Dong-Sung	China (CHN)      Li Jiajun      Feng Kai      Yuan Ye      An Yulong
2002 Salt Lake City	Canada (CAN)      Éric Bédard      Marc Gagnon      Jonathan Guilmette      François-Louis Tremblay      Mathieu Turcotte	Italy (ITA)      Michele Antonioli      Maurizio Carnino      Fabio Carta      Nicola Franceschina      Nicola Rodigari	China (CHN)      An Yulong      Feng Kai      Guo Wei      Li Jiajun      Li Ye
2006 Turin	South Korea (KOR)      Ahn Hyun-Soo      Lee Ho-Suk      Oh Se-Jong      Seo Ho-Jin      Song Suk-Woo	Canada (CAN)      Éric Bédard      Jonathan Guilmette      Charles Hamelin      François-Louis Tremblay      Mathieu Turcotte	United States (USA)      Alex Izykowski      J. P. Kepka      Apolo Anton Ohno      Rusty Smith

Sorry no, I would not prefer the change to this style. To bring this list to featured status there is no need to change the style which is used on (all?) other Olympic pages. If we want to change the style we had to discuss this topic not only for this page but for all Olympic pages (and these are hundreds). And I think we had to do this on the WP:Olympics talk page? Up to now I have never read that the common Olympic style is not neat, organized and easy to read? Please see e.g. Athletics at the 2008 Summer Olympics. I think it is necessary and desirable that all Olympic pages have the same style? Kind regards Doma-w (talk) 22:48, 31 January 2009 (UTC)

I never said the common style is bad, I just think this version is an improvement. Is there any reason why you are against the current style other than maintaining the status quo? -- Scorpion⁰⁴²² 00:11, 1 February 2009 (UTC)

The reason is that I think it is not to prefer to have different styles on the Olympic pages. It was and is a hard work for only a very few editors to bring all the Olympic pages in line. To establish a new style on only this page destorys a long work and makes confusion. And again, I don't think that there is a need to add dots or spaces. So please allow me again to ask to reestablish the common style. Kind reagards Doma-w (talk) 01:35, 1 February 2009 (UTC)

How about just one space then for the individual athletes? That way it would be similar to the old style (but still not a huge difference) but still differentiate between the nation and the athletes. -- Scorpion⁰⁴²² 02:44, 1 February 2009 (UTC)

:) First I still do not think that this is the right place for this discussion. Second I am sure that I can not decide this alone! And if there is not a huge difference why we do not keep the established style? Isn't the flag shown in front of the nation enough difference between the nation and the athletes? Please see also e.g. Athletics at the 2007 Pan American Games or 1930 British Empire Games. All these pages had to change the style? Kind regards Doma-w (talk) 03:41, 1 February 2009 (UTC)

Okay, I've reverted for now, but I do think you are over-reacting to this. If you think about it, 4 of 57 medalist pages are now within FL standards, but would that not make them inconsistant with the old standards? Should you ever not make potential improvements simply to maintaining the status quo? No. -- Scorpion⁰⁴²² 18:24, 1 February 2009 (UTC)

Not involved with this, but quality always trumps consistency or maintaining the status quo. Dabomb87 (talk) 18:26, 1 February 2009 (UTC)

Thanks Scorpion! Every improvement is welcomed. But is it an improvement? Is it better quality? Again, if you want to change the style please discuss this on the WP:Olympics talk page. I remember that one of the members of the WP:Olympics started last autumn a guideline for these kind of pages. As far as I know the work is still in progress. Kind regards Doma-w (talk) 20:59, 1 February 2009 (UTC)

Oppose. Due to the list being currently wrong (I guess this may have been accidental from when you were fiddling with what tables to use). I noticed the one capped above didn't match the article's list. Looking at the 5000m for example the reference does not state the names listed currently in the article. It lists the ones capped earlier in this FLC. I didn't check any further than that but I urge you to double check the information as we don't want to go featuring the wrong stuff! Rambo's Revenge (talk) 13:46, 10 February 2009 (UTC) As a side note I personally prefered the stylistic change to the table suggested earlier.

This is a simple but pretty embarassing case of human error. When I went back to the old version of the table, I decided to do it the easy way and copy and paste the table from an old version. Long story short, I accidentally copied the results of the women's 3000 metre relay into the section for the men's 5000 metre relay. It has been fixed now. -- Scorpion⁰⁴²² 19:51, 10 February 2009 (UTC)

I guessed as much, anyway no harm done I just figured the best way to get your attention and stop the wrong version being promoted was with an "oppose". Rambo's Revenge (talk) 20:09, 10 February 2009 (UTC)

Support

• The only questionable thing I could find is listed is should "Chun Lee-kyung" be Lee-Kyung? Rambo's Revenge (talk) 20:09, 10 February 2009 (UTC)

  Chun Lee-kyung is Korean and they list their names in reverse (Korean name), so Chun is her family name and Lee-kyung is her given name. -- Scorpion⁰⁴²² 20:12, 10 February 2009 (UTC)

  Sorry I'll clarify, I knew that what I meant was should the K be capital like it is for their main article? Rambo's Revenge (talk) 20:17, 10 February 2009 (UTC)

  Yes, you are correct. Fixed. -- Scorpion⁰⁴²² 21:58, 10 February 2009 (UTC)

Good work, Rambo's Revenge (talk) 22:08, 10 February 2009 (UTC)

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