Wikipedia:Featured list candidates/List of Philadelphia Eagles first-round draft picks

The following is an archived discussion of a featured list nomination. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the article's talk page or in Wikipedia talk:Featured list candidates. No further edits should be made to this page.

The list was promoted by User:Scorpion0422 20:34, 19 June 2008 [1].

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List of Philadelphia Eagles first-round draft picks

Self-Nomination copied the format from other first round draft picks pages, and created this page. Put references down at the bottom and the players whose pages don't exist aren't wikilinked. --Gman124 ^talk 15:15, 26 May 2008 (UTC)

• Oppose, not enough in-line citations. GreenJoe 23:43, 27 May 2008 (UTC) Support Citations now meet my satisfaction. GreenJoe 13:34, 28 May 2008 (UTC)
  • added refernces. --Gman124 (talk) 13:11, 28 May 2008 (UTC)
    • The references you've added are great. In the table itself, you have this nice, tidy notes section, but only a handful of the boxes are used for in-line citations. Do you see what I mean? GreenJoe 13:21, 28 May 2008 (UTC)
      • I only added notes for picks that were involved in a trade, so do they need to be for others as well?. Gman124 (talk) 13:25, 28 May 2008 (UTC)
        • Ah, I didn't understand that. If possible, it would be great if you could. If not, let me know. 13:28, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

Comments

• Wikipedia_talk:Featured_list_candidates#Straight_repetitions_of_the_title_in_the_opening_sentence
  •  Done cut the opening sentence, since it didn't really give additional info.--Gman124 (talk) 13:58, 30 May 2008 (UTC)
• WP:LS#Bold title says don't wikilink the bold text
  •  Donemoved the wikilink of Eagles to the next time Philadelphia Eagles is written. --Gman124 (talk) 13:53, 30 May 2008 (UTC)
• Put NFL in parentheses after "National Football League" Done
• Per WP:ACCESS, don't use small writing (as in the key table) as it hinders poor-sighted people Done
• I think other lists are using italics rather than bolding "No pick"s
  •  Done the other lists use both bolding and italics, so I italicized the "No Picks" and changed it to No first-round draft pick.--Gman124 (talk) 13:47, 30 May 2008 (UTC)
• Image captions "Eagles" should be "Eagles'" Done

That's it. Matthewedwards (talk · contribs · count · email) 07:22, 30 May 2008 (UTC)

Resolved comments from Crzycheetah

Oppose for now

• • I think "most recent first round" pick should be mentioned in the end of the lead.
  • In the lead, "selections was" - grammar?
  • The "Every year during April, each NFL franchise..." sentence needs in-line citation.
  • "always" shouldn't be in italics.
  • The "The team has also selected number two..." sentence needs to be reworded better.
  • ^same thing with the "The Eagles have selected players..." sentence.
  • Per WP:COLOR, color shouldn't be the only indicator.
  • As of now, there are six players that are not linked. First-round selections are notable, plus I have not seen any similar FLs so far with "unlinked" players.
    • The pages for those players don't exist, so can't really have red-links. So that's why they are not linked. --Gman124 ^talk 14:02, 5 June 2008 (UTC)
      • What I was saying is that those pages should exist. In this case, unlinked=red linked, since the names are notable. --Crzycheetah 19:36, 5 June 2008 (UTC)
        • Linked the players' name, though I don't see why you want the articles that don't exist to be linked. --Gman124 ^talk 00:28, 6 June 2008 (UTC)
  • Separate notes from citations. Examples: Packers and Saints.
  • Please, proofread the notes one more time. Done
    • Notes e, k, m are missing the subject(Eagles), and the last note states Philadelphia while other notes mention "Eagles". Also link those teams that were mentioned in the trade notes.--Crzycheetah 19:36, 5 June 2008 (UTC)
      • Linked the team names and fixed up the notes. --Gman124 ^talk 00:04, 6 June 2008 (UTC)

--Crzycheetah 23:01, 4 June 2008 (UTC) Adding two more comments:

• • In the table, there is a mention of "early era" and "modern era", but not in the lead. What do these eras mean?
    • modern era is just the time when the AFL and NFL completed their merger. early era is before that. --Gman124 ^talk 17:41, 5 June 2008 (UTC)
      • Mention it in the lead.--Crzycheetah 19:36, 5 June 2008 (UTC)
        • Put a line about it in the lead. --Gman124 ^talk 00:29, 6 June 2008 (UTC)
  • A "Key" for the positions should be added. Done
    • Just to be consistent with recent FLs, could you make the "Key" a separate section? Done--Crzycheetah 19:36, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

--Crzycheetah 23:36, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

• Also, where did McNabb's picture go?--Crzycheetah 19:36, 5 June 2008 (UTC)
  • i accidently removed it, now I put it back. --Gman124 ^talk 19:47, 5 June 2008 (UTC)
• Comments I have several questions.
  • Why do you use either "T" or "OT' to represent offensive tackle, why not just use one abbreviation? Done
  • Right now, "number one overall picks" are indicated by color, asterisk, and a note([a]), don't you think that the note becomes redundant? Same thing with Hall of Fame selection. Done
  • Why is No first-round draft pick bolded? I don't think it's so important that it needs to be bolded. Furthermore, why not just "no pick"? It's obvious that we're talking about first-round of some draft by just looking at the title of the page. Done

--Crzycheetah 09:24, 14 June 2008 (UTC)

• Conditional support I will support as soon as those six articles are created. In sports pages like this, all items should be blue-linked(no red links or black text), meaning that all players should have their own articles. Those six players don't have an article in Wikipedia, even though they deserve to have one.--Crzycheetah 02:32, 6 June 2008 (UTC)
  • added pages. --Gman124 ^talk 14:05, 6 June 2008 (UTC)
    • Players who played on collegiate level are notable. There was a disamg. link that I fixed, so Harry Jones is a red link for now. I am going to support anyway, though. Thanks for your hard work.--Crzycheetah 19:17, 6 June 2008 (UTC)
      • added Harry Jones as well. --Gman124 ^talk 19:24, 6 June 2008 (UTC)

Comments

Gary King (talk) 05:23, 8 June 2008 (UTC)

• "pick. [4]" — extra spaceY
• Why are the years bolded? There's no reason is there?
  • Y removed the bolding from years. --Gman124 ^talk 05:21, 8 June 2008 (UTC)

Gary King (talk) 04:24, 8 June 2008 (UTC)

Comments from The Rambling Man (talk · contribs)

• You don't actually state who the Philadelphia Eagles are - this is an important introductory concept for those unfamiliar with NFL.Y
• "...after they went ..." unclear who "they" are in the context of this sentence.Y
• "which ended the NFL's early era and started the NFL's modern era" a little clunky, and what exactly does it mean? Who said it was the end/start of eras?
  • I had copied that from other lists and the NFL article, but seemed kind of trivial to include that in this article so I have removed it. --Gman124 ^talk 14:23, 13 June 2008 (UTC)
• Jay Berwanger is linked twice in quick succession.Y
• As is Chuck Bednarik.Y
• Don't force the thumb size, just thumb is fine.
  • Y removed the size, but now the pic is too small. --Gman124 ^talk 13:52, 13 June 2008 (UTC)
• remove spaces betweens notes (e.g. [a] [b] [d])Y
• Colours alone should not be used to distinguish certain features (see WP:COLOR).Y
• "Overall" or "overall" in the notes?Y
• "profootballhof.com" or "Pro Football Hall of Fame official Web site" in citations?Y
• You have "PhiladelphiaEagles.com" but not "NFL.com" - why not?
  • I have the NFL.com listed down at the bottom under general references, plus the NFL>com doesn't explain very clearly why the team didn't have the pick for some year, they just had traded to X or acquired from Y. while the PhiladelphiaEagles.com explains everything like what the Eagles got for trading their first round pick or what they gave away to get additional first round pick, so in my opinion PhiladelphiaEagles.com is just a better source. --Gman124 ^talk 13:52, 13 June 2008 (UTC)

That's it from me. The Rambling Man (talk) 10:55, 13 June 2008 (UTC)

• Support - Great job on fixing up the others' concerns, it seems to meet the featured list criteria. Hello32020 (talk) 21:27, 18 June 2008 (UTC)

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