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The following is an archived discussion of a featured list nomination. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the article's talk page or in Wikipedia talk:Featured list candidates. No further edits should be made to this page.

The list was promoted by Dabomb87 21:58, 6 April 2010 [1].

List of Philadelphia Flyers players

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Nominator(s): Harrias (talk) 20:25, 14 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
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I am nominating this for featured list because I feel it meets all the FL criteria. It is based on existing ice hockey player lists, but I have added sortability to the tables. Unfortunately, due to the nature of this, the addition of SortKeys has made the article a lot larger and slightly slow to load, which is unfortunate. Harrias (talk) 20:25, 14 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Resolved comments from Anthony (talk) 14:33, 22 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Comments:
  • No mention is made of stats leaders, such as games played or goals scored. All the other hockey player FLs have that included somewhere in the lead.
    • Have added in a paragraph on this, it has no specific references as the information comes from the table, which is taken from the general references.
  • "of these Bill Barber and Bernie Parent had the most notable careers for the Flyers." - Unsourced and NPOV, should be removed.
    • Done: have provided the full list instead.
  • You might want to update the accessdates on the general reference websites.
    • Done: changed as suggested.
  • Gagne and Timonen's names are not wikilinked on the photos along the side.
    • Done: added links.
  • Maybe include something about how many players are in the Flyers HOF, since it's in the table.

Overall a good list, just missing a few things that are included in other lists. Fix these issues and I'll gladly support. Anthony (talk) 15:06, 21 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for your comments, I've made tweaks and additions as requested. Harrias (talk) 17:30, 21 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Support - all comments have been addressed, and list is up to FL standards. Anthony (talk) 14:33, 22 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Resolved comments from Giants2008 (27 and counting) 18:03, 6 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Comment – What makes the following sources reliable?
Removed hockeywriters and rauzulustreet, left flyershistory in for the sole reason that it is a supporting source to hockeydb; all the information is at hockeydb, but for a list of this size, it's nice to have a supporting source for the information. I can remove it if you feel it is necessary though. Harrias talk 09:04, 28 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I would personally feel better if the source was removed, as I feel much better about an article/list if the sources are solid. Maybe Hockey-Reference or another site has a good replacement you could use. Giants2008 (27 and counting) 15:14, 1 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Done: removed as source. Harrias talk 09:42, 2 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Now that the source comments are done, I'll look at the lead like I do for all the lists I review. Only found a couple things worth commenting on here:
  • The last sentence of the first paragraph, regarding expansion, could use a cite.

Support – Looks good to go. Giants2008 (27 and counting) 18:03, 6 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Resolved comments from NMajdan
Comments
  • Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, United States - Rmv the "United States" per WP:PLACE.
    • Done: changed as suggested.
  • Disambig Miroslav Dvorák.
    • Done: changed as suggested.
  • 1000 points - Should be 1,000 per WP:MOSNUM.
    • Done: changed as suggested.
  • Hockey Hall of Fame; - Probably need a colon here since you're listing the players immediately after. Same thing after number retired;.
    • Done: changed as suggested.
  • one regular-season - You hyphenate regular season here but there are several other instances in the lead where you did not.
    • Done: changed as suggested.
  • Kimmo Timonen and Simon Gagne. - This caption doesn't need a period since its not a full sentence.
    • Done: changed as suggested.
  • Stats are updated - Probably be better to spell out Statistics.
    • Done: changed as suggested.
  • Daggers should be superscripted.
    • I can do this if you want; I don't particularly have anything against it. But why should they be?
      • Again, just something that has been pointed out to me in several of my FLCs. Prior precedent if you will.—NMajdan•talk
        • Done: changed as suggested.
  • When you have a player with multiple season ranges, shouldn't the ranges be separated by a comma?
  • Blank cells should use an em dash instead of a regular hyphen.
    • I disagree, many tables use en dashes as I have done here, and there is nothing that I can see in WP:MOSDASH stating that either should be preferred.
      • You're right, I don't see anything in the MOS. It's just something that has been pointed out in a couple reviews of my lists in the past.—NMajdan•talk
  • I'd prefer the numerical columns (Seasons through Playoffs SV%) to be center aligned, but that's just personal preference. I won't withhold supporting the list because of this.
    • I'll leave it as it is for the moment, and see if anybody else comments on it. I'm willing to change it, but it'll be arduous, so I don't want to do it and then have three people say they prefer it as is!

—NMajdan•talk 18:40, 30 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for your comments, I have made most changes as suggested, but commented on a couple of them. Harrias talk 20:39, 30 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support. My most pressing concerns have been addressed. There are still a few outstanding items, but nothing large enough to prevent my support. I've left those issues uncapped for other reviewers to comment on if needed.—NMajdan•talk 13:33, 31 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Resolved comments from The Rambling Man (talk) 15:14, 4 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Comments
  • Link captain the first time (if you have to), not the second.
    • Done: changed as suggested.
  • "number retired" could you add "by the Flyers" to be clear (particularly to non-experts) which organisation has retired the numbers?
    • Done: changed as suggested.
  • You don't repeat Clarke's first name in the third paragraph but you do repeat Barber's...
    • Done: removed Barber's first name.
  • 1,000 points vs 1817 minutes... be consistent with the comma separators.
    • Done: changed to 1,817.
  • "17 of them were" MOS doesn't like starting sentences with numbers.
    • Done: written number out in full per MOS.
  • Any particular reason why the names are listed by surname?
    • That's how all the other hockey FLs are listed.
  • Is Biron's caption (deadline day trade) cited anywhere?
    • Done: added citation.

The Rambling Man (talk) 11:06, 2 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for your comments, I have responded to them all above. Harrias talk 11:31, 2 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]


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