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List of Seattle Kraken draft picks

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Nominator(s): XR228 (talk) 19:22, 8 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I have gotten the lead of the article to a level that I think meets the criteria. Everything else should be good too. Thanks. XR228 (talk) 19:22, 8 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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MPGuy2824
  • Tables need captions, which allow screen reader software to jump straight to named tables without having to read out all of the text before it each time. Visual captions can be added by putting |+ caption_text as the first line of the table code; if that caption would duplicate a nearby section header, you can make it screen-reader-only by putting |+ {{sronly|caption_text}} instead.
  • One cell in every row should be the header cell and it should begin with a "!" instead of a "|". You can also use rowspan for the years, since a lot of them are in common. You should change the scope to "rowgroup" if you do this. -MPGuy2824 (talk) 05:54, 10 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hey man im josh

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  • Since their creation, the Kraken have drafted 28 players, the 2023 NHL entry draft being the third in which they participated. – The juxtaposition from picks to the 2023 being their third draft is choppy and needs rewording.
  • You switch back and forth calling them Seattle and Kraken in the lead, pick one and stick with it.
  • Down case 2021 NHL Entry Draft to 2021 NHL entry draft
  • There's a lot of info that could be helpful that's not included in the second paragraph and I think it needs to be expanded to better explain the draft process a bit. A high level overview obviously, but this isn't as clear as I think it could be.
  • After the end of his rookie 2022–23 season, Beniers won the Calder Memorial Trophy as the League’s best rookie – Remove "end of his rookie" from the first part of the sentence. The second part explains the award clearly enough that this information is redundant.
  • ...managing 24 goals and 33 assists in 80 games. – Probably improved by replacing "managing" with "having accumulated".
  • The Kraken's second overall draft pick in 2021 was the highest they have ever drafted. – Could be reworded to be better I think. Something like, "The highest the Kraken have ever drafted was in 2021, when they had the second overall pick." or "The Kraken have never selected higher than in 2021, when they had the second overall pick."
  • Don't switch between using "second" in the lead and then using "1st-round pick" at the end. Be consistent, at least in prose, with the usage of words.
  • Ref 5 missing publisher date
  • Date format is inconsistent in sources
  • Usage of publishers not consistent in refs (Ref 1 and 2 use "National Hockey League" while ref 3 uses "NHL.com")
  • Inconsistent wikilinking of publishers, please wikilink publishers for consistency
  • Ref 4 needs to be marked as a subscription being required
  • The source uses combines the ties plus overtime losses columns. Is there a reason you've separate them out? It doesn't look like there's any sources linked that show these being counted separately.
  • Per MOS:NOTSEEALSO, the see also section should not be linking to their first draft.

That's what I've got for now, though I think on a re-pass over I'll probably find more. Please ping me when you respond. Hey man im josh (talk) 16:49, 10 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I have made the changes. XR228 (talk) 00:51, 11 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
You missed a few, but this is the feedback I have:
  • Ref 4 – add |subscription=required
  • The source used combines the ties plus overtime losses columns. Is there a reason you've separate them out? It doesn't look like there's any sources linked that show these being counted separately.
  • Paragraph two could be improved, there's information that could be useful, such as the fact that, based on the source, it doesn't seem as simple as just being 18 to be drafted. There's also more info I'm sure those unfamiliar with hockey could find useful.
  • The images need alt text added for accessibility
  • ...Ryker Evans, Ryan Winterton, and 2022 fourth overall pick Shane Wright. – Remove the part about his pick. It's not specified for others so it's not necessary for Shane Wright.
  • General ref 2 – Add <code>|website=[[Hockey-Reference.com]]</code>, publisher can stay since they're the parent company
  • The table currently has a table title of "caption text"
  • Second image uses "first" and "4th", switch it to "fourth" for consistency.
  • This page is pretty light on SIGCOV, with only 7 sources, three of which are from the NHL and two of which are from sports databases. This could be improved upon.
  • Use "background-color" instead of just "background" for the column headers. If you do not do so, the sorting icon is missing, which makes the page below what we expect for accessibility. You also have an extra exclamation point in the column text, just before "scope", that should be removed.
  • If this is meant to be THE entirety of the team's picks, why are the picks from the 2021 NHL expansion draft not included?
That's what I've got for now. Hey man im josh (talk) 15:35, 14 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I have made the changes. The 2021 expansion draft was selecting players from 30 of the already existing teams, so it isn't the same as an entry draft. XR228 (talk) 02:30, 16 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@XR228: There's a number of points you have failed to address, some of which this is the third time I'm mentioning:
  • Ref 4 – For the third time, add |subscription=required to the reference, as a subscription is required to access the source
  • The source used combines the ties plus overtime losses columns. Is there a reason you've separate them out? It doesn't look like there's any sources linked that show these being counted separately. Needs to be called out or explained in some way.
  • Paragraph two could be improved, there's information that could be useful, such as the fact that, based on the source, it doesn't seem as simple as just being 18 to be drafted. There's also more info I'm sure those unfamiliar with hockey could find useful.
  • This page is pretty light on SIGCOV, with only 7 sources, three of which are from the NFL and two of which are from sports databases. This could be improved upon.
Further feedback:
  • General ref 1 – Change from publisher = |publisher=The Internet Hockey Database to |website=HockeyDB, based on the fact the Wiki page is called that
  • Draft picks are draft picks. I don't see a reason not to include other players that were drafted by this team.
  • Add the {{Use mdy dates|June 2024}} template to the top of the article under the short description for consistent date formatting
As mentioned, ping me when you respond. Hey man im josh (talk) 19:35, 17 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Sorry about that. I've made the changes. Also, there is a difference between an ENTRY draft and an EXPANSION draft. The FL List of Atlanta Thrashers draft picks does not have any selections from Atlanta's expansion draft. XR228 (talk) 04:11, 18 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@XR228: I understand there's a difference between entry and expansion drafts. I'm heavily involved with NFL articles, particularly draft list promotions, and we have had expansion drafts as well. @The Kip: has discussed the issue of the expansion draft with me at his nomination for the Vegas Golden Knights. I don't love the exclusion of it, and I genuinely believe it's relevant, but I'm willing to let it slide and not use that as a reason to oppose promotion of these lists.
  • Prior to the 2005–06 season, the NHL instituted a penalty shootout for regular season games that remained tied after a five-minute overtime period, which prevented ties – Close, but might be a bit too wordy. What about something like "As of the 2005–06 season, the NHL implemented new tiebreaker procedures, making ties no longer possible."?
  • "Entry Drafts" should be lowercased.
  • Row scopes need to be declared with an exclamation point (! scope="row") to be accessible. | scope="row" is not acceptable for accessibility reasons.
I fixed the general reference myself. Again, please ping me when you respond. Hey man im josh (talk) 13:24, 18 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I have made the changes. XR228 (talk) 06:25, 19 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Hey man im josh, @PresN, any other changes that need to be made? XR228 (talk) 07:56, 24 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Hey man im josh I have made the requested changes. XR228 (talk) 01:11, 6 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

MrLinkinPark333 (verification and copyvio check)

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  • Table:
    • Individual references for Beniers, Evans, Winterton and Wright are needed to show their entire NHL career was with the Kraken.
    • Janicke (2021) was Left Winger.
    • Jackson (2022) was Centre.
    • Needs a reference to show the nationality of all of the players.
  • Lead:
    • The entire first paragraph is uncited. All of the content should be cited like at List of Atlanta Thrashers draft picks.
    • "Kraken have participated in three drafts and selected 28 players." -> four drafts and selected 36 players.
    • "The NHL entry draft is held each June" - not mentioned at the NHL guidelines.
    • "exceptions being players...age 18, 19, or 20." - this long sentence copies and closely paraphrases the four points from NHL operations. This quoted part should all be removed.
    • "order determined by the number of points earned by each team" - this part should be reworded a bit to meet WP:LIMITED to avoid similar wording at Entry Draft Order points at NHL operations.
    • "weighted lottery for the 16 non-playoff teams" - new updated source needed as the 2013 NHL Draft lottery source has 14 teams, not 16.
    • "four of the Kraken's draft picks have gone on to play with the Kraken" - Condor 2024 doesn't mention Shane Wright. Need an extra citation here.
    • "The team with the fewest points has the best chance of winning the lottery," - New source needed as the NHL operations guidelines don't mention a lottery.

Oppose Based on the copyvio from NHL operations, I will have to oppose for now. --MrLinkinPark333 (talk) 21:53, 11 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Pinging @XR228. Hey man im josh (talk) 14:36, 15 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks @Hey man im josh. I didn't see this. My bad. I'll get to this as soon as I can. XR228 (talk) 19:53, 15 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@MrLinkinPark333, I have made the requested changes. XR228 (talk) 19:11, 18 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Hello. There's a few leftover points to go through:
  • The entire first paragraph in the lead needs citations.
  • order determined by the number of points earned by each team" - needs rewording to avoid close paraphrasing of NHL Operations.
  • allowing the winner to move up to the first overall pick" - This isn't 100% correct. Only the top 11 teams can win the #1 pick (#1 can't move up anymore, #2-#11 can move up 10 spots to #1) per NHL.
  • Table references for Benier, Evans, Winerton and Wright neeeded to show they only played with the Kraken. Otherwise, the shades and key can be removed
MrLinkinPark333 (talk) 19:52, 18 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@MrLinkinPark333, I have made the changes. XR228 (talk) 14:00, 20 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • "Kraken compete in the National Hockey League (NHL) as a member of the Pacific Division of the Western Conference and began play during the league's 2021–22 season," - Not verified by NHL 2018 as the team was not named yet, that they competed in the Western Conference/Pacific Division nor their first season was in 2021. An overall source about the Kraken's playing history and division/conference can work here.
  • making them the second newest team in the NHL" - The 2018 NHL source says they were scheduled to debut in 2021, while the 2024 NHL source does not mention Seattle was the 2nd newest. A different source is needed that shows the 2 newest teams are Seattle (2021) and Utah (scheduled 2024).
  • "Since their creation, the Kraken have participated in four drafts and selected 36 players" - Thank you for rewriting. This now needs a source.
  • "any of the top 11 teams to move up to the first overall pick" -> " any of the top 11 teams to win the first overall pick" (since the #1 team can't move up anymore)
MrLinkinPark333 (talk) 17:32, 20 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@MrLinkinPark333, I have made the changes. XR228 (talk) 08:24, 21 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Almost there. "as a member of the Pacific Division of the Western Conference" -> "as a member of the Pacific Division" (as HockeyDB doesn't say Western). Once that's adjusted, you'll be good to go verification wise! MrLinkinPark333 (talk) 17:25, 21 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@MrLinkinPark333, I have made the change. XR228 (talk) 08:32, 22 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@MrLinkinPark333 can you change this to "Support" XR228 (talk) 15:20, 23 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support. Thank you for the changes! --MrLinkinPark333 (talk) 22:56, 23 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Image review by Staraction

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  • All images relevant to the article - perhaps include more if appropriate? Please ping me if you do.
  • All images have proper licenses
  • All images have alt text - perhaps change them to specify a particular format of image? ie. "Photograph of the Kraken's first ever draft pick, Matty Berniers"
  • All images have captions

Support on images. Thanks for your work @XR228! Staraction (talk | contribs) 20:31, 18 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the Support! XR228 (talk) 04:49, 19 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Promoting. --PresN 01:19, 25 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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