Wikipedia:Featured list candidates/List of The Doon School alumni/archive2

The following is an archived discussion of a featured list nomination. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the article's talk page or in Wikipedia talk:Featured list candidates. No further edits should be made to this page.

The list was not promoted by The Rambling Man 10:47, 17 July 2012 [1].

List of The Doon School alumni

Nominator(s): Merlaysamuel : Speechify 08:57, 10 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I am nominating this for featured list because I have made changes to this list as per the suggestions from the previous nomination request here and think it is now ready to become a Featured List. I look forward to your comments and suggestions. Thanks! Merlaysamuel : Speechify 08:57, 10 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Comments

WP:OVERLINK: Words like writer, actor, member, ambassador are linked too many times. --Redtigerxyz ^Talk 06:02, 16 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

fixed Thank for bringing this to my notice. I have fixed the issue.--Merlaysamuel : Speechify 17:35, 16 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

That list was not comprehensive. More exist: Chairman, MD, CEO etc. Scan whole article. --Redtigerxyz ^Talk 03:50, 17 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Doing... Apologies, I'll just fix that.--Merlaysamuel : Speechify 09:53, 17 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Sorting: Armed forces is not ordered by class year nor alphabetical name. Check all sections and standardize. Also, add sorting facility for reader as in Works of Rambhadracharya eg. Khaṇḍakāvyas (minor poems): year, title etc. are sortable

--Redtigerxyz ^Talk 14:04, 17 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Comment by Fowler&fowler: Sorry for being impatient with you, but this is not the first time it has been pointed out to you that all princely titles and privileges were abolished in India in 1971. In spite of being told this repeatedly, you continue to stuff garbage in the princely alumni section, with grandiloquent reigns, some lasting into the 1980s. Shatrujit Singh, whose page, in spite of the paring-down snow job that I've just undertaken, is a excellent candidate for AfD, is typical of these claimants. Also, royalark.net is not even remotely a reliable source for royalty claims. Fowler&fowler «Talk» 10:01, 20 June 2012 (UTC) ~~I've fixed the princely pretenders, I'm traveling again now and consequently unable to follow up. You have my support. Hope others weigh in.~~ Fowler&fowler «Talk» 10:35, 30 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Comment suggest given the strength of feeling here (and in the previous FLC), that Fowler&Fowler's issue needs to be discussed and resolved before this FLC can be satisfactorily progressed. There's little point in having an open nomination which just keeps repeating the same arguments without resolving them. The Rambling Man (talk) 16:53, 27 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I completely agree with you. After having read Fowler's comments closely in the last FLC nomination, I do not believe that he is an unbiased reviewer. His previous arguments were more along the lines of WP:IDONTLIKEIT. This FLC needs fresh eyes.--Merlaysamuel : Speechify 17:13, 27 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Either that, or it needs an honest peer review where we can gauge the opinions of a number of other editors who aren't list- or Doon-biased. The Rambling Man (talk) 18:04, 28 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

It is possible that my presence is a wet blanket, but it's not the case that editors galore have been champing at the bit to have a go here and I have their stalls locked up. A peer-review might be good, but I shall soon be also posting on WT:INDIA. A year ago something similar had to done with Indian caste-related articles, which too were written by SPAs, who had exaggerated, textually and visually, and used for sources social snippets in India's popular press.

Doon is one of some two dozen elite schools in India that all have alumni of more or less equal notability. That a veritable horde of Doon school unknowns (see, for example, CG Devashar, Inder Pal Khosla, Trilochan Singh Brar) have been recently pushed, by Merlaysamuel, into the realm of dubious notability, speaks to the dangers that lie ahead. This is not just my assessment, user:Stfg, who copyedited the Doon School article for GOCE, wondered if some parts of it were not written to appeal to prospective parents. Fowler&fowler «Talk» 01:19, 29 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

PS Consider, for example, the first of the dubious notables above, CG Devashar. His page has two sentences: "Air Marshal Charandas Gurudas Devashar PVSM was the head of the Indian Air Force from 1977 to 1981, as Air Marshal (India). He completed his schooling from The Doon School." I became suspicious when I saw the words "head of the Indian Air Force," (for Chief of the Air Staff), so I checked. It turns out Devashar was never chief of staff; it was another gentleman, Idris Hasan Latif, who is a great deal more notable. Fowler&fowler «Talk» 01:46, 29 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

PPS Now that I've become aware of the other schools-for-the-privileged in India, I have also just realized that Merlaysamuel (talk · contribs) has been removing names of notable alumni from at least one of those schools, Modern School (New Delhi). See this edit with edit summary "removing many false entries." Well it turns out that the first two names he has removed, the musician, Amjad Ali Khan and the author, Amitava Kumar, did in fact go to that school. (See evidence here for Amjad Ali Khan and here for Amitava Kumar. These are pretty water-tight sources: the journal of India's national academy of music and an author's own web site.) I'm afraid, I don't know what is going on, but it does not bode well for this nomination. Fowler&fowler «Talk» 02:25, 29 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I removed Amjad Ali Khan because his Wiki page says he received homeschooling (and your reference for his attending Modern does not show anything). And as for Amitava Kumar, his Wiki page says he attended St. Michael's school. It was my fault that I didn't bother to check out if he actually did. Sorry for that. --Merlaysamuel : Speechify 11:06, 29 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Maybe that link is not good. I've now added three more there. I accept your explanation. Fowler&fowler «Talk» 12:00, 29 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose Spot checking three references resulted in all three failing to verify the content:
- Surendhra Kandhari, the ref only mentions that they were 18 when they met at Doon, not that either was an alumni.
- Roshan Seth, ref doesn't mention anything about the school.
- MA Murugappan, ref only mentions Vellayan was on the board of governors of Doon, not any alumni verification for Murugappan.
- Also, if people are notable enough to be included in the list, the ought to be notable enough to be linked.
- With the ref issues, I'm not sure it's ready to be discussed for FL currently, at least not until every individual ref is checked out. —SpacemanSpiff 09:02, 4 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Comment as the main contributor to the list hasn't edited since 2 July, I will archive this nomination. Of course, once suitable attention can be given to comments here, the nominator is welcome to return to FLC. The Rambling Man (talk) 10:46, 17 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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