Wikipedia:Featured list candidates/List of Vice Presidents of the Philippines
This is a companion list of List of Presidents of the Philippines, which is now featured. --Howard the Duck 07:22, 22 October 2006 (UTC)
Oppose- short & choppy lead, image copyrights are not sorted out, references are not formated properly. Renata 14:29, 22 October 2006 (UTC)- I'll work on the lead. I've sorted out the image of Trias; and there's really one reference so how can I format that? --Howard the Duck 14:40, 22 October 2006 (UTC)
- I mean all images have problems. The whole {{PD-PhilippinesGov}} is shady. As of right now all images tagged with this template need to be used under fair use which means that you have to provide specific source, copyright holder, fair use rationales, make sure no free alternatives are available, and they are really low resolution copies. And then there is this whole thing if fair use images can be used on lists... As for references, it's simple, {{cite web}}. Renata 15:29, 22 October 2006 (UTC)
- I'll work on the lead. I've sorted out the image of Trias; and there's really one reference so how can I format that? --Howard the Duck 14:40, 22 October 2006 (UTC)
- I've added access dates already for the references. About {{PhilippinesGov}}, it was originally a public domain tag, but it got all confusing (see Template talk:PhilippinesGov, several featured items maybe in danger because of this, FYI.) --Howard the Duck 15:47, 22 October 2006 (UTC)
- Yes, I know about the tag. But I think the list has really got chance at being featured even without the images. It won't that pretty, but it is still very useful. I edited the lead a bit and got confused with this piece of info: "Note that the Presidents under the Commonwealth of the Philippines were under American administration, and that there was no vice president during the Second Republic, considered to be a puppet government of the Imperial Japan during the World War II." - could you explain it a bit more? Also, {{cite web}} has a lot more parameters than just access date. Renata 03:43, 24 October 2006 (UTC)
Do you think this will pass with no pics? I've edited the lead already. And I'm really confused with how cite web works, the dates of access for me are good enough. What other field is needed? --Howard the Duck 07:15, 24 October 2006 (UTC)I removed the pics. --Howard the Duck 13:23, 26 October 2006 (UTC)
- Yes, I know about the tag. But I think the list has really got chance at being featured even without the images. It won't that pretty, but it is still very useful. I edited the lead a bit and got confused with this piece of info: "Note that the Presidents under the Commonwealth of the Philippines were under American administration, and that there was no vice president during the Second Republic, considered to be a puppet government of the Imperial Japan during the World War II." - could you explain it a bit more? Also, {{cite web}} has a lot more parameters than just access date. Renata 03:43, 24 October 2006 (UTC)
- I've added access dates already for the references. About {{PhilippinesGov}}, it was originally a public domain tag, but it got all confusing (see Template talk:PhilippinesGov, several featured items maybe in danger because of this, FYI.) --Howard the Duck 15:47, 22 October 2006 (UTC)
- Support - Very useful list. Lead expanded, I did cite wen myself, and FU pics removed. Renata 13:44, 26 October 2006 (UTC)
- Comment: Could we get the color key closer to the list? I didn't notice it at first. Rmhermen 14:20, 26 October 2006 (UTC)
- Done. --Howard the Duck 14:49, 26 October 2006 (UTC)
- Conditional support upon merging the "statistics" section with the lead. -- Rune Welsh | ταλκ 14:23, 30 October 2006 (UTC)
- Note that they're already mentioned, beside the color legend (Well, except longest and shorting serving vice presidents.). --Howard the Duck 14:53, 30 October 2006 (UTC)
Strong oppose: inaccurate and false. --Noypi380 14:03, 31 October 2006 (UTC)- If anyone can add a citation that is more credible than the Office of the Vice President website, be my guest. --Howard the Duck 15:08, 31 October 2006 (UTC)
Strong Oppose. There is contention with Trias from 1897. From Verifiability, the burden of evidence lies with the editor who adds or restores material. Any material that is challenged or likely to be challenged needs a reliable source, which should be cited in the article. If an article topic has no reliable, third-party sources, Wikipedia should not have an article on it. There is no third party soure at all for the list of VPs of the Philippines. This wikipedia list is the first of its kind. If there is a credible third party source that is similar to the Philippine government source, conditional support. --Noypi380 16:26, 31 October 2006 (UTC)- The contention is clearly stated on the article, on the third sentence, no less:
- The inclusion of Mariano Trias in the list is disputed, for Trias was chosen as Vice President at the Tejeros Convention, and again as Vice-President for the short-lived Biak na Bato Republic, which was dissolved after the signing of the Pact of Biak na Bato and Aguinaldo's exile.
- This will alert the reader on to judge for one's self whether to include Trias on the list or not. --Howard the Duck 16:40, 31 October 2006 (UTC)
- Support --Noypi380 16:49, 31 October 2006 (UTC)
- The contention is clearly stated on the article, on the third sentence, no less:
- If anyone can add a citation that is more credible than the Office of the Vice President website, be my guest. --Howard the Duck 15:08, 31 October 2006 (UTC)