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The following is an archived discussion of a featured list nomination. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the article's talk page or in Wikipedia talk:Featured list candidates. No further edits should be made to this page.

The list was promoted by User:Scorpion0422 22:51, 13 December 2008 [1].

List of World Rally Championship Drivers' Champions

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I am nominating this list for featured standard as I believe it fulfils the criteria. It is well-referenced, up to date and accurate. The tables are sortable and their are images used to illustrate the list. Thanks in advance or your comments. NapHit (talk) 15:52, 27 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Support, all issues resolved. Dabomb87 (talk) 23:52, 27 November 2008 (UTC) [reply]
Resolved issues, Dabomb87 (talk)

Comments from Dabomb87 (talk · contribs)

  • "The World Rally Championship (WRC) is a rallying series administrated by Fédération Internationale de l'Automobile (FIA) motorsport's world governing body." Comma after (FIA).
  • "Each season normally consists of 12 to 16 rallies driven on surfaces ranging from gravel and tarmac to snow and ice." "ranging"-->that range.
  • "He also holds the record for the most championships won in a row winning his five titles from 2004 to 2008."-->He also holds the record for the most championships won in a row; he won five consecutive titles from 2004 to 2008.
  • "Juha Kankkunen and Tommi Mäkinen are second having four championships each, with Mäkinen winning his four championships in a row from 1996 to 1999."-->Juha Kankkunen and Tommi Mäkinen are second with four championships each; Mäkinen won four championships in a row from 1996 to 1999.
  • "Finland has produced the most champions with seven drivers winning 14 championships between them." Needs rewording to get rid of the with + -ing structure. Per MOSNUM, comparative quantities should be written out; 14-->fourteen or change seven-->7.
  • "Drivers in Lancia and Citroën cars have won the most championships with five each." "in"-->of. Dabomb87 (talk) 23:16, 27 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for the comments, they have all been addressed NapHit (talk) 23:33, 27 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Resolved comments from Matthewedwards (talk • contribs • email)

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This is a good list, and as a fan of WRC I'm pleased somebody has finally gotten around to doing it. I have just a couple of things.

I can't get reliable info a stage wins for a season so can't add this and clinched would not work as I can't link to all the races, but if this does not matter then I'll add that NapHit (talk) 16:49, 28 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Would it be possible to add a "Co-Driver" column, or have some champions had more than one co-driver in a season?
I think some drivers have had more than co-driver in a season NapHit (talk) 16:49, 28 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • "By constructor" table needs its heading correcting from "country" to "constructor"
Done NapHit (talk) 16:49, 28 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Done NapHit (talk) 16:49, 28 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • It may be just because it's late, but I'm finding Footnote A a bit confusing
think it's a bit clearer now NapHit (talk) 16:49, 28 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Done NapHit (talk) 16:49, 28 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Refs 6, 7, 10, 12, 15-24 should use {{cite web}}
They do use this template NapHit (talk) 16:49, 28 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Oops, I meant {{cite news}} Matthewedwards (talk • contribs • email) 18:15, 28 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Done NapHit (talk) 14:16, 29 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Ref 6 should attribute the author
Done NapHit (talk) 16:49, 28 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Ref 10 should give the author and page number
This cannot be done as the ref is web based NapHit (talk) 16:49, 28 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Since it's a news article, it will do it if it uses {{Cite news}} it will work
It does indeed, I've added the page number NapHit (talk) 14:16, 29 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Refs shouldn't really be using ISO date formatting any longer. Since the WRC is an international thing, I recommend "28 November 2008" over "2008-11-27" or "November 27, 2008". There are special fields in {{cite web}} and {{cite news}} to do this.
Done NapHit (talk) 16:49, 28 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Done NapHit (talk) 16:49, 28 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Overall, good. Matthewedwards (talk • contribs • email) 05:14, 28 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

  • Is there a photo of the cup that can be added to the lead section?
There is but I don't think it would constitute as free use so I'm reluctant to use it and where would the template go that is already in the lead? NapHit (talk) 16:49, 28 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Below it, like the F1 one perhaps. Matthewedwards (talk • contribs • email) 18:15, 28 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Here is the link for the image, Im not sure if it would count as being free use, what do you think? NapHit (talk) 14:16, 29 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Yeah, probably better not to include it. Matthewedwards (talk • contribs • email) 01:46, 3 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I've added the links for Mitsu and Fiat and redirect the Peugeot, Audi and Lancia links to the releveant part in the main article hopefuly this should suffice. NapHit (talk) 13:12, 3 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]


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Resolved comments from SRX

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  • Each rally is split into 15–25 special stages which are run against the clock on closed roads. - comma before "which."
  • The WRC was formed from well-known and popular international rallies, most of which had previously been part of the European Rally Championship and/or the International Championship for Manufacturers, and the series was first contested in 1973. the "and/or" contradicts the second "and." It would be better that a semicolon replaces that "and."
  • The driver's championship and manufacturer's championship are separate championships, but based on the same point system. - +"are" before "based."
  • Finland has produced the most champions, 7 drivers have won 14 championships between them. --> "Finland has won the most titles, with 14 championships between 7 drivers."
  • A key would help to explain some of the headings of the columns, like Margins.--SRX 21:57, 9 December 2008 (UTC)
I've dealt with all your comments, Cheers NapHit (talk) 23:12, 9 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support - Comments were resolved to comply with pWP:WIAFL.--SRX 00:50, 10 December 2008 (UTC)
  • Comments
    • Not keen on the headings "By nationality" etc - should be "Winners by nationality" or else put these as subsections under a general "Winners" heading.
    • Gronholm's caption is fragment so remove the full stop.
    • The notes aren't cited. Is there a reason for this?
    • "The margin of points the champions beat the runner-up by" - try "The margin of points by which the champion defeated the runner-up(s)" perhaps? Was there ever more than one runner-up?
  • The Rambling Man on tour (talk) 06:02, 10 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for the comment Rambling Man, they are all dealt with now NapHit (talk) 14:37, 10 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Yeh I agree with Dabomb because it's dscribing a points system it should remain. NapHit (talk) 15:00, 11 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
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