- Support from Carlobunnie
- Contents box needs to be fixed: C, H, W & Y are missing, F+N are included but there are no awards starting with those letters in the table.
- Done. NicklausAU 23:12, 26 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
- This hasn't quite been fixed. I just checked the page and the TOC box above the main table still appears the same way as my orig comment indicated. You added the anchors but you also need to fix the coding for the toc box at the top otherwise the anchors are useless. -- Carlobunnie (talk) 03:18, 28 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
- Oh sorry Carlobunnie, I honestly thought I had done it. I've never used TOC boxes like this before now. I think it's fixed now! NicklausAU 04:34, 28 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
- Note b. could be rephrased to read as "The Asian Idol Awards is an annual music awards show established in 2012 and presented by Anhui Satellite TV in China that honors artists for outstanding performances", short and sweet.
- Done. NicklausAU 23:12, 26 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
- Note f. the Elle Style Awards is AN annual...
- Done. NicklausAU 23:12, 26 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
- Note k. this should be 'Korean Film Actor's Association'
- Done. NicklausAU 23:12, 26 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
- Note l. The KPMAs are A music awards show...and IS sponsored by
- Done. NicklausAU 23:12, 26 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
- Note o. could instead say 'awards show established in 1989 and presented by' for easier reading
- Done. NicklausAU 23:12, 26 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
- Note t. "...in the areas of as music..." - 'as' is a typo right?
- Done. NicklausAU 23:12, 26 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
- References #34, 37, 143 & 148 are all from KpopMap which is an unreliable source as per WP:KO/RS and need to be replaced. Don't have the time to check all 191 references but they seem to be from acceptable sources otherwise.
- Done. No reliable sources exist, so awards have been removed. NicklausAU 00:06, 27 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
- I concur with Chris about the Notes section needing to be consistent with the use of 'awards is/are' sing/plu. My corrections were based on how they're currently worded. And to answer your question ChrisTheDude, Listicle :) -- Carlobunnie (talk) 17:11, 26 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
- Thank you for your feedback :) NicklausAU 00:06, 27 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
- Hey Carlobunnie :) is there anything else I should do to the article to get your support for this nomination? NicklausAU 23:03, 29 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
- @NicklausAU:Apologies for the late response. I started reviewing your reference list but paused to work on my BTS list and source hunting for that consumes a lot of time.
- Refs 1, 2, 3.9, 3.10, 20, 34, 59, 108, 116, 125, have no archived links- necessary for consistency since all other refs have been archived.
- Done. I believe all sources that can be are now archived NicklausAU 07:06, 30 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
- Refs 4.5 & 8: Metro UK has been deemed an unreliable source as per WP:KO/RS but I'm unsure whether the ref should be replaced as many k-pop related articles cite them often. If it's possible to find a more reliable source that mentions the same information I'd recommend changing it just to be on the safe side.
- This decision was made in error by WP:KO/RS members. Metro UK is a common source used by even recently promoted Feature Lists such as Kylie Minogue and Dua Lipa. NicklausAU 07:06, 30 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
- I wouldn't consider it an error, it was added because they falsely reported BTS' view count for their MV records and claimed to have spoken to a YT rep, which was confirmed to be a lie. They've also written about false relationships between celebrities. I'd advise finding a better source. DanielleTH (Say hi!) 16:50, 30 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
- Here, this article from the Manila Bulletin covers the same information, I'd suggest opting to use that. DanielleTH (Say hi!) 17:00, 30 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
- I'm more comfortable with this source. And honestly, I'm guilty of having used metro a few times in updating some articles myself but haven't had the time to replace those instances so whenever we can curb the habit now as we see it the better. -- Carlobunnie (talk) 19:31, 30 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
- Done. NicklausAU 01:37, 31 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
- Unreliable sources: Ref#32 TheAU Review- Hello Asia sister site (Heath Media is a dead link), #102 PopDust- at first glance seems reliable because this but then they also literally have this in their site description "POPDUST brings you entertainment news and reviews, from hot new music to celebrity gossip..." if you do a google search, #108 DramaFever News, #137 Syndicasian- reads like a fan blog.
- DramaFever was owned by Warner Bros. and their news section was pretty reliable, but the site is down now, so if it's a deadlink it can't be used. DanielleTH (Say hi!) 17:00, 30 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
- Done. #32 and #101 (both AU review) have been changed, but #102 is Yahoo... did you mean #101? Others also changed. NicklausAU 07:06, 30 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
- I haven't completed checking but have to go now. I'll make further comments when I have more time tomorrow. -- Carlobunnie (talk) 03:19, 30 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
- I look forward to any further feedback :) NicklausAU 07:06, 30 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
- Ok continuing:
- No, I did mean the PopDust reference (#103), which still needs replacing. Perhaps I just got the numbering wrong by mistake or the # changed as refs were removed/replaced.
- Done. NicklausAU 01:37, 31 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
- Ref #11 should read as 'Tenasia' for consistency since other places in the article ref the site by that rather than the Hangul.
- Done. NicklausAU 01:37, 31 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
- Ref #45's parameters need 'work=bnt news' and 'via=Yahoo SG' as the article is simply hosted there. Also 'last=Cho' and 'first=Suyoun' need to filled in because the reporter's name is on the article.
- Done. NicklausAU 01:37, 31 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
- Ref #27, you can wikilink AXS (I believe that's the first use of them as a ref)
- Done. NicklausAU 01:37, 31 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
- Ref #62, add 'last=Kim, first=Soo-jung, via=Naver'
- Done. NicklausAU 01:37, 31 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
- Ref #64 links to KpopLove, an affiliate site of KoreaDaily whom you've named as the source rather than KpopLove. To me it feels similar to when Soompi posts eng translations of Korean articles and links to said source at the end, which is what KPL did here. If an archive does not exist of the actual Korea Daily article (which is probably what should have been linked) then you'll need a more reliable Eng source or another good Korean source.
- Kpop Love is part of Korea Daily (Eng site) which you mentioned before. Korea Daily is very reliable so when I saw this I gave it a pass. "Kpoplove" is a bad name I think it's pretty trustworthy. DanielleTH (Say hi!) 17:00, 30 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
- @DanielleTH: I had no problem with Korea Daily as I recognized their reliability and did mention their orig link could have been used as the actual cite but w an archived link since the page is dead. However what's used for the ref is KpopLove's translation piece of the dead KD article, much like what Soompi does, and browsing diff sections of their website it strikes me as a cross between Soompi/BuzzFeed. I'm only one person not completely kosher with the site so maybe we can get an additional editor to give a third opinion? -- Carlobunnie (talk) 19:31, 30 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
- Abdotorg has contributed quite a bit to WP:KO/RS, so I trust their opinion. It might be worth trusting Korea Daily but not this section of their site, much like SBS being allowed but not SBS PopAsia for similar concerns. DanielleTH (Say hi!) 22:27, 30 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
- Done. I've replaced it with a different source either way. NicklausAU 01:37, 31 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
- Ref #69, add reporter name 'Kim Chang'
- Done. NicklausAU 01:37, 31 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
- Ref #73, name 'Kim Eun-ae'
- Done. NicklausAU 01:37, 31 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
- Ref #85, name 'Julie Jackson' is provided for the English version of the Korean particle posted right under. You can change the 'title' parameter to the eng title and add her in.
- Done. NicklausAU 01:37, 31 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
- Ref #98, 'work=CJ E&M e-news world, via=Yahoo'
- Done. NicklausAU 01:37, 31 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
- Ref #99 references same article link as above just hosted on a different site, Mwave. If you're leaving this as is then change work parameter to same as above and add 'via=Mwave' or you could just use ref#98 for both.
- Done. NicklausAU 01:37, 31 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
- Ref #101, 'title' parameter is empty/missing
- Done. NicklausAU 01:37, 31 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
- Ref #102, 'work=Manila Bulletin, via=Yahoo'
- Done. NicklausAU 01:37, 31 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
- Ref #117, I would actually put Qoo10 instead of Mnet.
- Done. NicklausAU 01:37, 31 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
- Ref #119, name 'Alkira Reinfrank'
- Done. NicklausAU 01:37, 31 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
- Ref #122, the name of the Spanish source is actually 'La Nacion' so that's what you should have it as. 'The Nation' is just the translation.
- Done. NicklausAU 01:37, 31 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
- Ref #123, name 'Elizabeth Escobar'
- Done. NicklausAU 01:37, 31 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
- Ref #126, name 'Raquel Rodrigues'
- Done. NicklausAU 01:37, 31 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
- Ref #135, it's 'via=Joins'. Actual source is 'work=Daily Sports'.
- Done. NicklausAU 01:37, 31 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
- Ref #137, name 'Gye Hye-sung, and 'via=Naver'
- Done. NicklausAU 01:37, 31 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
- I'm almost done but my battery is dying so I'll be back in a bit once it's charged and finish off. Not a lot left so I should be able to give my support later today :) -- Carlobunnie (talk) 16:36, 30 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
- Back now:
- Ref #138, seems to be credited to JoongAng Ilbo so JTBC is hosting the article? Correct me if I'm wrong, but if so then it should be 'work=JoongAng Ilbo' & 'via=JTBC' since the link used is JTBC's.
- Done. NicklausAU 01:37, 31 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
- Ref #145 & #149, add 'via=Naver' or replace Naver link with original article source link
- Done. NicklausAU 01:37, 31 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
- Ref #151, Syndicasian- unreliable source
- Done. Whole awards removed due to lack of reliable sources. NicklausAU 01:37, 31 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
- Ref #163-#165: these are primary sources and need to be replaced. @Snowflake91: was very adamant when we were sourcing the VLive awards that we were not to use these same sources so I'm surprised he didn't pick up on their use/mention it to you.
- Done. I believe the issue was that "all" the sources were primary sources, meaning there is no evidence of notability at all. Even the source used in the note to source the overall awards themselves was a primary source. There is no issue with using primary sources for the individual awards won (it is used for numerous other awards where voting pages and official award websites are used for results and nominations, such as MAMA, Melon and GDA). I have amended the award note (funnily enough, note v) to include a source verifying the notability of the awards from a reliable source, The Korea Herald. NicklausAU 01:37, 31 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
- Oh no don't get me wrong. My issue wasn't the use of primary sources for awards won, as I use them myself also. I was simply going down the ref list itself doing individual checks and when I saw all of those together for the wins (I didn't have a prob w usage for the noms) I just remembered the discussion I linked above and thought it was the same situation and thus applicable here, forgetting that you had a fn for the VL awards otherwise I would have just said to replace the ref for that as you ended up doing anyways. My brain flubs a bit (sometimes embarrassingly so) when I've been on wikipedia too long, so sorry about that lil mixup. Doing final page check now. -- Carlobunnie (talk) 16:01, 31 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
- Ref #176, minor but 'work=The Chosun Ilbo' not Chosun Media.
- Done. NicklausAU 01:37, 31 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
- Ref #177: can a diff source other than an SM site be used here? I feel like a news article would be a better choice.
- Done. That piece of information was double sourced anyway, so i deleted the SM source. NicklausAU 01:37, 31 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
- Ref #179, 'name=Ji Min-kyung', add 'via=Naver' or replace Naver link with original Osen source link
- Done. NicklausAU 01:37, 31 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
- @NicklausAU: once these have been corrected I'll do one last sweep of the page to double check all the refs for formatting uniformity and that should be it for me. Would it be okay if I edit anything I notice you may have missed as regards the above? -- Carlobunnie (talk) 19:31, 30 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
- All done I believe. More than happy for you to edit if there are any errors etc. :) NicklausAU 01:37, 31 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
- @NicklausAU: I'm on mobile rn and won't have access to a desktop until morning (it's currently 12:36am here) so please forgive this last delay until a few hours for me to do my final check of the entire page (don't wanna risk that on a palm-sized screen). I'll tag it with 'in use' just to be safe so no conflicts occur. That aside, you put a lot of work into the article and with the various improvements made based on reviewer feedback it's even better. I've shaved a couple years off my life slogging away at the BTS list reformat lol but the feeling when it's all done is totally worth it. -- Carlobunnie (talk) 04:40, 31 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
NicklausAU Comments from today (31.07):
- Ref #4.5 - since the other Metro ref (formerly #8) was replaced ystrdy this one needs to be as well
- Done. NicklausAU 01:43, 3 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
- Ref #57 - (did not notice this link ystrdy) is there a news article mentioning the same info that can be used in place of this SM press release?
- Done. NicklausAU 01:43, 3 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
I fixed all the styling issues for the table and coding as you'll see from the edit history. I've completed citation/formatting cleanup up to KBS Song Festival but I have to go for now. Will try to complete the rest of the adjustments by tonight when I get back. There was more fine tuning to do than I anticipated. -- Carlobunnie (talk) 20:42, 31 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
- Continuing:
- Ref #64 is a Chinese source not a korean one. 'language' incorrectly had 'Ko' and 'title' was the translated vers of the article rather than the orig chinese text. I corrected both but be careful with the language codes. Also, if you translate a title for one non-eng source you would have to be consistent with that throughout the entire article.
- Done. corrected by yourself NicklausAU 01:43, 3 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
- Ref #66 for KBA fn: BeatusCorner is a fanblog. I removed it and left the empty citation format for you so all you have to do is fill in the parameters w info from a reliable source.
- Done. NicklausAU 01:43, 3 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
- Ref #184: the article quoted information from Allkpop amongst its sources so I removed and replaced it with a 100% reliably sourced reliable source (ah the english language).
- Done. corrected by yourself NicklausAU 01:43, 3 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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