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The list was promoted by Giants2008 18:08, 31 July 2011 [1].

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List of buildings by Charles Holden

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• Featured list candidates/List of buildings by Charles Holden/archive1

Nominator(s): DavidCane (talk) 22:46, 29 May 2011 (UTC)

This list is a companion to the featured article on British architect Charles Holden and presents a comprehensive list of all of the buildings built to his designs (many of which are listed buildings) as well as the cemeteries and memorials he designed for the Imperial War Graves Commission following the First World War. The layout of the page has been influenced by Grade I listed buildings in North Somerset, although I have not included grid references for the buildings as some of the buildings are private homes and others are not precisely known. DavidCane (talk) 22:46, 29 May 2011 (UTC)

Comments:

Resolved comments from bamse (talk) 10:56, 8 June 2011 (UTC)

*Is this list complete? It is. The Eithan Karol biography contains a list of all of his buildings.--DavidCane (talk) 00:49, 1 June 2011 (UTC) Does it also include all unbuilt buildings/projects? bamse (talk) 10:58, 1 June 2011 (UTC) The unbuilt projects are also complete. The list includes all of those for which he had a commission, but which were subsequently cancelled. There were a number of unsuccessful competition designs which are not included here (some are mentioned in the main article), but, for an architect working in the public sector, Holden seems to have been unusually lucky in that almost all of his projects reached completion. The most significant one that was not completed as originally conceived was the large scale plan for the University of London.--DavidCane (talk) 13:02, 1 June 2011 (UTC) "Many of his buildings have been protected by being listed." and "Many of his buildings have been granted listed building status..." seems doubled. Removed duplication.--DavidCane (talk) 00:49, 1 June 2011 (UTC) I am not sure how familiar readers are with the meaning of "being listed". I think this should be explained shortly in the lead. I have added a note and the listed building article is wikilinked in the test.--DavidCane (talk) 00:49, 1 June 2011 (UTC) I realized that the listed building article was wikilinked. I just don't like to read another article in order to make sense of a sentence. The present note ("protection...") is good and gives an idea of what the listed status means. If possible, maybe you could mention "Special Architectural or Historic Interest" somehow in this or in an additional sentence. bamse (talk) 09:12, 1 June 2011 (UTC) Done.--DavidCane (talk) 13:02, 1 June 2011 (UTC) References should be added to the lead. Done. --DavidCane (talk) 00:49, 1 June 2011 (UTC) Holden's competition-winning Tudor Revival design for Bristol Central Library was described by as "one of the great masterpieces of the early Modern Movement" By whom? Missing name added.--DavidCane (talk) 00:49, 1 June 2011 (UTC) "Grade I/II/II*" should be defined somewhere or their meaning wikilinked (if possible). Note 1 covers this briefly and the listed building article in detail.--DavidCane (talk) 00:49, 1 June 2011 (UTC) Empty table cells should be filled with {{center|—}} Done for listed column.--DavidCane (talk) 00:49, 1 June 2011 (UTC) Why not in the "Note" columns? bamse (talk) 11:03, 1 June 2011 (UTC) I feel that this is unnecessary. Where a column in the list might be expected by a reader to have content for every cell, it may be appropriate to include the dash when the cell is unused; however, where the column is unlikely to have content in every cell (such as the notes column), the inclusion of a dash seems inappropriate.--DavidCane (talk) 21:25, 2 June 2011 (UTC) Have to think about it. I thought that it was an MOS requirement, but can't find it, so possibly it is just a tradition. bamse (talk) 10:38, 4 June 2011 (UTC) I checked as well and couldn't find anything. There are plenty of FLs which have empty cells, e.g. List of awards and nominations received by The Simpsons, Load Records discography or List of numbered roads in Kawartha Lakes.--DavidCane (talk) 11:55, 4 June 2011 (UTC) OK. Sorry for insisting on it. bamse (talk) 13:38, 4 June 2011 (UTC) The "Buildings" section should get an intro in the same way as those of "Cemeteries" and "Memorials". Done.--DavidCane (talk) 23:54, 3 June 2011 (UTC) What does "...influenced by European architecture." mean? Is Holden's architecture not considered to be European? bamse (talk) 10:36, 4 June 2011 (UTC) Clarified as "continental European".--DavidCane (talk) 11:55, 4 June 2011 (UTC) Not sure how relevant the numbers of casualties/missing in this context are. It gives an idea of the range of sizes of the cemeteries that Holden worked on.--DavidCane (talk) 00:49, 1 June 2011 (UTC) Why is there no "Year" column for the last two tables. Other than the odd year, the available data for the cemeteries does not provide dates for their completion. The memorials were constructed at the same time as the cemeteries they are in, but it is not exactly certain when they were built either (just circa 1928).--DavidCane (talk) 00:49, 1 June 2011 (UTC) Both are memorials to the missing from New Zealand. reads a bit strange. Possibly the New Zealand Expeditionary Force should be mentioned and wikilinked here. OK. Done.--DavidCane (talk) 00:49, 1 June 2011 (UTC) bamse (talk) 22:48, 31 May 2011 (UTC) Guerst->Geurst in ref 62? bamse (talk) 22:51, 31 May 2011 (UTC) Done. --DavidCane (talk) 00:49, 1 June 2011 (UTC)

• It would be nice to have some more "Notes" (ideally for all projects if possible), but if there is nothing interesting to write that's fine as well.
  • For some of the buildings on the list (the cottages and houses) there is no more information available than their location and completion date.--DavidCane (talk) 00:49, 1 June 2011 (UTC)
    • OK. How about the others (non-cottages, non-houses)? bamse (talk) 11:03, 1 June 2011 (UTC)
      • Most of the important ones are described in the main Charles Holden article or in their own articles, so I think duplicating the information here is unnecessary.--DavidCane (talk) 23:54, 3 June 2011 (UTC)
        • I think, if there is something particular about the building (special style, etc.) it would be still interesting to have it replicated here. Especially for the listed buildings, a short note on what makes them special would be good. bamse (talk) 10:36, 4 June 2011 (UTC)
          • I have added a few more to cover the particularly interesting or noteworthy.--DavidCane (talk) 22:50, 7 June 2011 (UTC)
            • Better/more interesting. Leaving it out of "resolved comments" in case another editor/reviewer wants to add more. bamse (talk) 10:56, 8 June 2011 (UTC)
• I am a bit confused, the article name says "List of buildings...", but then there are three tables of which only the first is called "Buildings". Possibly the article name should be changed.
  • It could be renamed "List of buildings, cemeteries and memorials by Charles Holden" if you think it necessary.--DavidCane (talk) 23:54, 3 June 2011 (UTC)
    • Or something like List of works/projects (not sure about the correct jargon) by Charles Holden. bamse (talk) 10:36, 4 June 2011 (UTC)
      • "Works" would probably be best
        • Fine with me. bamse (talk) 13:38, 4 June 2011 (UTC)
          • To avoid confusing the bots, I'll do the move once the candidacy is complete.--DavidCane (talk) 22:50, 7 June 2011 (UTC)
            • Alternatively you could ask an administrator to do the move. Either way is fine with me. I leave this comment out of "resolved comments" not to forget about it. bamse (talk) 10:56, 8 June 2011 (UTC)

Tending towards support, but I'll have another look at it in a couple of days. One immediate suggestion would be to move all images of buildings into the "Buildings" section and to have a generic image for the lead such as an image of Charles Holden or a map of building locations or an image of a typical stylistic element. bamse (talk) 10:56, 8 June 2011 (UTC)

Had another look...and only one minor complaint.

• Why does ref 138 spell out the CWGC and the other references use the abbreviation "CWGC"? Also wikilink "CWGC" in note 4 and define the abbreviation in text somewhere like this: "Commonwealth War Graves Commission (CWGC)". bamse (talk) 17:05, 16 June 2011 (UTC)
  • Done. Thanks.--DavidCane (talk) 21:37, 16 June 2011 (UTC)
    • Thanks. bamse (talk) 08:12, 17 June 2011 (UTC)

Support (under the condition that the list's title is changed to "List of works..." or something similar after promotion). bamse (talk) 08:12, 17 June 2011 (UTC)

Resolved comments from Giants2008 (27 and counting) 21:38, 12 June 2011 (UTC)

Comments – "during the 1902s and 1930s." Have a feeling the first number should be 1900s instead. Should be 1920s.--DavidCane (talk) 13:08, 8 June 2011 (UTC) The three hyphens in the Location and Year Completed column for Buildings should be dashes of some type. Done.--DavidCane (talk) 13:08, 8 June 2011 (UTC) Year completed still has hyphens (I count eight now). Giants2008 (27 and counting) 18:16, 11 June 2011 (UTC) Forgot those when I did the search replace. All now done.--DavidCane (talk) 21:15, 11 June 2011 (UTC) Also, the second word of the Year Completed heading should be decapitalized since it's not a proper noun. Done.--DavidCane (talk) 13:08, 8 June 2011 (UTC) British Medical Association: Typo in "The were defaced...". Done.--DavidCane (talk) 13:08, 8 June 2011 (UTC) Cemeteries: Should "the" be added to "69 cemeteries for the dead of First World War..."? There's a "the" before First World War in the next section, and I think the flow is better that way. It should. Done.--DavidCane (talk) 13:08, 8 June 2011 (UTC) Photo caption in Cemeteries: "The Reginald Blomfield designed Cross of Sacrifice is a features of all IWGC cemeteries." "features" → "feature". Copy edit remnant. Done.--DavidCane (talk) 13:08, 8 June 2011 (UTC) Memorials: Remove spaces before cites in this table. Did it for the cemeteries, but forgot those. Now done.--DavidCane (talk) 13:08, 8 June 2011 (UTC) All the references from numbers 9 to 59 need to have publishers listed outside the references themselves. Done.--DavidCane (talk) 13:08, 8 June 2011 (UTC) Giants2008 (27 and counting) 01:33, 8 June 2011 (UTC)

Resolved comments from The Rambling Man (talk) 16:04, 16 June 2011 (UTC)

Comments Opening sentence is quite a mouthful.. any chance of a useful split in there? I've revised the wording.--DavidCane (talk) 22:22, 13 June 2011 (UTC) "in the period from 1920 to 1928" don't think you need "in the period". Done.--DavidCane (talk) 22:22, 13 June 2011 (UTC) "became Adams' partner" I guess it's worth ensuring people know you mean business partner here. Made a change.--DavidCane (talk) 22:22, 13 June 2011 (UTC) St Omer is a disambiguation link. Thought I had done that one once before. Done.--DavidCane (talk) 22:22, 13 June 2011 (UTC) Street numbers should sort numerically in the Building column. Done.--DavidCane (talk) 22:22, 13 June 2011 (UTC) Folkstone->Folkestone. Slaps forward. I live in Kent. Done.--DavidCane (talk) 22:22, 13 June 2011 (UTC) Berkhampstead->Berkhamsted. Slaps forward again. Done.--DavidCane (talk) 22:22, 13 June 2011 (UTC) 1198->1,198 etc in that table. Done.--DavidCane (talk) 22:22, 13 June 2011 (UTC) Is that Naves link the one you really want? Fixed.--DavidCane (talk) 22:22, 13 June 2011 (UTC) The Rambling Man (talk) 17:32, 13 June 2011 (UTC)

• Support The Rambling Man (talk) 16:04, 16 June 2011 (UTC)
  • Thanks.--DavidCane (talk) 21:37, 16 June 2011 (UTC)

• Support I found no concerns besides what was already addressed. Wizardman _{Operation Big Bear} 15:51, 31 July 2011 (UTC)

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