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The list was promoted by Scorpion0422 23:14, 20 January 2009 [1].

List of female United States Cabinet Secretaries

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After working on this list, I believe it fulfilled the FL criteria.—Chris! ct 20:47, 8 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

No, but I am open to any suggestions that would make the title less awkward. I am not sure how to make it less awkward.—Chris! ct 21:56, 8 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Very nice read. I also found the title to be a little awkward though. "First women" had me thinking that the First Ladies had held Secretaryships. Couple of things: why are the Party and Administration columns not sortable; and the prose in the Postmaster General and SECNAV rows needs fixing -- it's wrapping very strangely. Matthewedwards (talk • contribs • email) 04:52, 9 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Like I said, I am open to any suggestions that would fix the title and make it read better. I am not sure how to make it less awkward Also, the reason Party and Administration columns are not sortable is that the sorting function is not working and I don't know how to fix this glitch. Lastly, how do I fix the wrapping of the proses? I don't see anything wrong.—Chris! ct 06:39, 9 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
"List of first female U.S. Cabitnet Secretaries"?
Done—Chris! ct 19:42, 9 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
File:FFCS table.JPG is a screenshot of the page, with the line breaks circled in read.
Fixed—Chris! ct 19:42, 9 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Cool. In that case I'll delete the image. Matthewedwards (talk • contribs • email) 21:55, 9 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
The sortability glitch is if you're using Firefox with Twinkle or WikEd.. The linking for the other three columns works right; there's no reason Party and Administration shouldn't either. No big deal though.
Done—Chris! ct 19:42, 9 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Matthewedwards (talk • contribs • email) 08:11, 9 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I think List of first female United States Cabinet Secretaries is a lot more clear. Jkelly (talk) 18:59, 9 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Done—Chris! ct 19:42, 9 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Comments by User:Reywas92
  • Question: This is a very nice list, but why can't we have a list of all women who have been secretaries? I would find that more informational, useful, and inclusive than just the firsts, and there aren't that many more to add. And if it's only the firsts then Condoleezza Rice shouldn't have an image here.
  • Support Excellent job including all female secretaries! The lead is great and less listy, and the table is very well made. Reywas92Talk 03:33, 11 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

    • Support, all issues resolved. Dabomb87 (talk) 22:13, 19 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

    Resolved issues, Dabomb87 (talk)

    Comments from Dabomb87 (talk · contribs)

    • "The United States Cabinet has had many female appointed officers in its history." This seems a bit vague, especially for the first sentence. Can you put in the exact number?
    • "prior to"-->before.
    • "No woman had ever held"
    • "which prohibits states or the federal government" Don't you mean and "the federal government"?
    • "Since then, 24 different women had been members of the Cabinet."-->Since then, 24 women have been members of the Cabinet.
    • "Patricia Roberts Harris was"-->Patricia Roberts Harris became...
    • "newly-formed " No hyphen after -ly adverbs.
    • "was the first woman to hold a Cabinet position, "-->was the first woman to have held a Cabinet position,
    • "to serve in the Cabine"-->to have served in the Cabinet
    • "Former North Carolina senator Elizabeth Dole is the first woman to serve in two different Cabinet positions in two different administrations when she was appointed by President Ronald Reagan as Secretary of Transportation in 1983, and again by Reagan's successor George H. W. Bush as Secretary of Labor in 1989."-->Former North Carolina senator Elizabeth Dole is the first woman to have served in two different Cabinet positions during two different administrations. She was appointed by President Ronald Reagan as Secretary of Transportation in 1983, and was the Secretary of Labor during the tenure of George H. W. Bush—Reagan's successor.
    • "Madeleine Albright" You might mention her nationality?
    • "The defunct Department of Health, Education, and Welfare also has had two female Secretaries."-->The defunct Department of Health, Education, and Welfare has also had two female Secretaries.
    • "have yet to have women Secretaries"-->have not had women Secretaries. "yet to have" implies that these departments will have women secretaries.
    • Make sure to update the article when Barack Obama takes office.
    • "If confirmed, Clinton will become the first First Lady to serve in the Cabinet and the third female Secretary of State."-->If confirmed, Clinton will become the first First Lady to have served in the Cabinet and the third female Secretary of State.
    • I think that the "Secretary" column should be the second, not the third, from the left. After all, this list is about the Secretaries. Also, there is no need to highlight the whole row. Perhaps just the secretary and their postition? Dabomb87 (talk) 00:47, 15 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    All done—Chris! ct 02:13, 15 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    Resolved image issue

    Images

    Dabomb87 (talk) 00:47, 15 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

    Sources look good. Dabomb87 (talk) 00:47, 15 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

    I think you made a mistake. None of the reference I used is from Asian Week. And the link for Ref 8 isn't the one you pointed out.—Chris! ct 23:44, 13 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    Ok, I got it. Ref 8 is dead, you are right. But the link for Ref 8 isn't the above one.—Chris! ct 23:48, 13 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    Done.—Chris! ct 23:51, 13 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

    Oppose Sorry it is good and I enjoyed reading the lead, but currently I will oppose mainly on the first problem I raise below.

    • Because you have comments spanned across 4 rows, it makes the party and administration columns not sort.
    • For context it might be worth mentioning when all the cabinet departments were established. You do this for those where a woman has never served, but it might be useful for the rest to.
      • I can easily do it if you want, but the table is fairly crowded already.—Chris! ct 01:29, 16 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
        • True, I am considering whether this is necessary, as it is only really relevant to departments formed after 1920's Nineteenth Amendment
    • Whilst I've seen both used going from the Obama article (an FA) I think it should be President-elect not President-Elect.
    • first to "have served in two different Cabinet positions in two different administrations", seems a bit ambiguous do you mean the first to have served in two different Cabinet positions, doing so in two different administrations. As currently it reads like she was the first person to "serve in two different Cabinet positions in two different administrations".
    • Might be worth adding note b to Albright in the table as well.
    • Also, just a note that this is extremely close to being an orphaned page. It has three mainspace links for "see also" sections, and one prose.
    • Refs 13, 29 and 31 need a NYT login, which should probably be noted. Also a lot of the refs are missing publishers.

    Rambo's Revenge (talk) 21:11, 15 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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