Wikipedia:Featured list candidates/List of generation IX Pokémon/archive1

List of generation IX Pokémon

Featured list candidates/List of generation IX Pokémon/archive1

Nominator(s): Has one ever considered Magneton? Pokelego999 (talk) 01:15, 15 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

This list covers the fictional Pokémon species that have been introduced in the ninth generation of the Pokémon media franchise, specifically Pokémon from the video games Pokémon Scarlet and Violet. I've gone through the list and included what information I could about each species using high quality sources in order to create as comprehensive a list as possible with what sources exist, with a summary of the franchise and the ninth generation's setting included in the article's lead. I believe this meets FL criteria due to its expansive scope of coverage and verifiability in reliable publications. Has one ever considered Magneton? Pokelego999 (talk) 01:15, 15 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Drive-by comment: The reference formatting will need some work for consistency. I'm noting that, while there are Wikilinks in refs, probably at least half of the references are missing them. I added some with a quick find and replace, but I thought I'd mention it early on so you can address is. Hey man im josh (talk) 20:24, 15 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you! I'll get around to patching those up once I've got a bit of free time. Has one ever considered Magneton? Pokelego999 (talk) 20:44, 15 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Hey man im josh I've hyperlinked all sites that have associated Wikipedia articles. Has one ever considered Magneton? Pokelego999 (talk) 00:03, 19 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comments from BP!

~~I thought about reviewing this since I possiboy need more reviewers at my FAC.~~

I'm not sure if you already addressed some my comments from the peer review, but the I noticed there are publications/magazines still aren't linked yet

Link Polygon and Nintendo Life at reception.

Be consistent with whether or not the citations use title case for the titles. Make sure to italicize game and film titles in the citation titles per MOS:CONFORMTITLE.

Put url/website at Ref 3, a google book works.

What makes DenFaminicoGamer and Gayming Magazine reliable?

Ref 30 and ref 38 are missing date of publication.

I don't feel Radio Times is a reliable source for video games articles.

ref 124 magazine was full capitalized?

replace the "gamesradar" into GamesRadar+ at ref 131

ref 166 magazine should be only RPG. Do not include other things such as "WWW".

ref 184 is missing author. 🍕Boneless Pizza!🍕 (🔔) 01:01, 17 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Boneless Pizza! I've addressed the links since you've made your comment, and I've additionally addressed the bulk of your concerns. As for a few particular points:

-What is "title case"? I've genuinely never heard of this before, and would appreciate clarification on what it is.

-Radio Times is more than reliable. It's a highly well-respected publisher for entertainment related information and has been for decades. It has been used without issue in entertainment-related articles and is of generally high quality. Its usage shouldn't be of concern.

-Ref 166 should be "RPGFan," not RPG, as RPGFan is actual the name of the website. Has one ever considered Magneton? Pokelego999 (talk) 00:05, 19 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Game titles like for example in ref 134 there is a game title from the publication's title called "Pokémon Scarlet and Violet", it should be italicized for consistency. 🍕Boneless Pizza!🍕 (🔔) 03:22, 19 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Gotcha. I'll ping you once I've made adjustments to those. Has one ever considered Magneton? Pokelego999 (talk) 03:43, 19 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Boneless Pizza! I've made the requested adjustments. Has one ever considered Magneton? Pokelego999 (talk) 21:09, 21 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks. I will abstain from voting for now until other people have already chimed in here I supposed. 🍕Boneless Pizza!🍕 (🔔) 03:37, 22 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Has one ever considered Magneton? Pokelego999 I red the article again and I think I don't have issues anymore at this. So, I'll Support this. If you're willing to review my FAC also, feel free to chime in. 🍕Boneless Pizza!🍕 (🔔) 06:33, 7 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comments by Alavense

Can't images be added for the species? In other lists, you would expect to maybe find the image when you click on the article, but there's never going to be an article for the majority of these Pokémon, so I think it would be useful.
- Note: Typed this before Pres sent their comment below, but basically the reasons he described. However, for further clarification, there have been no images published that I can find that depict all of them as a group, and mocking one up would require individual fair use rationales for every image, which would be a gross fair use violation. It simply isn't feasible at this time. Has one ever considered Magneton? Pokelego999 (talk) 22:33, 27 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  - My bad, then. Sorry. Alavense (talk) 05:41, 28 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
based on Spain and the Iberian Peninsula - The wording there is weird, given that Spain is part of the peninsula.
- Clarified wording on the Iberian Peninsula. Has one ever considered Magneton? Pokelego999 (talk) 22:33, 27 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Scarlet and Violet also features - "feature", for consistency's sake.
- Fixed. Has one ever considered Magneton? Pokelego999 (talk) 22:33, 27 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
There should be consistency as to whether "and" has to be in italics. You have Pokémon Scarlet and Violet but Pokémon Black and White. There are several instances of these with different colours.
- Fixed all of them. Let me know if I missed any. Has one ever considered Magneton? Pokelego999 (talk) 22:33, 27 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
How does the list before the actual list help? I mean, the order is the same, so I don't really see how that helps.
- I assume you mean the hyperlinked list of species before the main list when you mean "the list before the list"? That's there primarily in case a reader is looking for any particular Pokémon, which will allow them to hyperlink straight to a specific one. While it's use cases are admittedly niche, it's still a helpful navigational tool and doesn't take up so much space to the point it proves detrimental to the list overall, so I see no need to cut it. Has one ever considered Magneton? Pokelego999 (talk) 22:33, 27 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I don't understand why all the descriptions are merged in the last column, given that they are for each individual Pokémon. You have a row for Sprigatito, another one for Floragato and another one for Meowscarada. Why merge then in the last column? I think this is only justified when the information is scarce.
- Descriptions are merged primarily because they are more effectively covered in this way for the bulk of the species. It makes more sense to cover multiple associated subjects as part of one uniform group, or in this case, a cell, so readers will know these subjects are associated more easily, among several other reasons. I could admittedly split some off, but the subjects with enough coverage to split into another cell are primarily those who already have articles where that information is better summarized. Has one ever considered Magneton? Pokelego999 (talk) 22:33, 27 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  - I'd agree with that, but then again, if that's the case, reading is a futuristic Paradox Pokémon resembling six times in a row feels a bit weird. Alavense (talk) 05:41, 28 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    I can probably reword those, but I'm not sure what would work best to convey the same information while not reading even more strangely. What would you suggest here? Has one ever considered Magneton? Pokelego999 (talk) 14:47, 28 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    - I just find it weird to merge things when then you are going to repeat information, that's all. One would think that the purpose of merging them and not having one row for each of them would be not to duplicate the information. Alavense (talk) 08:44, 29 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
You have "cat" linked twice in the same row. It's the same with "crocodile" in the next section and so on and so forth, so please review these.
- Fixed the bulk of the dupe links. Let me know if I missed any. Has one ever considered Magneton? Pokelego999 (talk) 22:33, 27 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
gatito is a colloquial word for "little cat", not necessary a kitten.
- Thank you for the Sprigatito shout-out since it turns out that one was actually using an incorrect source that I had missed. I've removed the information, primarily since I'm unable to find a citation describing the naming information at this time. Has one ever considered Magneton? Pokelego999 (talk) 22:33, 27 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Fighting type should be hyphened for consistency's sake.
- Fixed. Has one ever considered Magneton? Pokelego999 (talk) 22:33, 27 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
There are lots of instances of "who" being used to refer to a Pokémon. Is that okay? Or should it be "which"?
- Changed to which. That makes more sense consistently given we're discussing species here. Has one ever considered Magneton? Pokelego999 (talk) 22:33, 27 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
consisting of a pair of Pokemon - It should be "Pokémon".
- Fixed. Has one ever considered Magneton? Pokelego999 (talk) 22:33, 27 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Tadbulb is a Pokémon - What else could it be? There are also a few is a species of Pokémon, which are equally obvious.
- Some specific entries have such a small amount of coverage that their exact identities and origins are not discussed in any major sources. A few had descriptions in sources such as Screen Rant and Game Rant, but I elected not to include them due to quality concerns normally brought up during Featured Content assessments. As a result, certain entries being described as "X is a Pokémon" are things I cannot really avoid due to these ones in particular just having less discussion than other entries on the list. Has one ever considered Magneton? Pokelego999 (talk) 22:33, 27 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
the fictional, in-universe streamer, Iono should be the fictional, in-universe streamer Iono
- Fixed. Has one ever considered Magneton? Pokelego999 (talk) 22:33, 27 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Gym Leader - There's only one mention to it, with no explanation or link whatsoever.
- I removed the Gym Leader mention. Admittedly could probably clarify that properly if needed but it really isn't too important for understanding here, since the focus is more on the promo than Iono's character. Has one ever considered Magneton? Pokelego999 (talk) 22:33, 27 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
ball of a mud or "ball of mud"?
- Fixed. Has one ever considered Magneton? Pokelego999 (talk) 22:33, 27 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Corviknight- a large, metallic bird-like Pokémon- - Those should be {{mdash}}es.
- Fixed mdashes in all places that needed them. Has one ever considered Magneton? Pokelego999 (talk) 22:33, 27 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Wiglett has been commented on for its phallic appearance by both fans and critics.[104][105][106][107][108] - Please merge all those references.
- I admittedly have no idea how to do that. What template should be used for something like that? Has one ever considered Magneton? Pokelego999 (talk) 22:33, 27 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  - See WP:BUNDLING. Alavense (talk) 05:41, 28 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    I have been trying for eons but genuinely cannot figure this out, and the directions in the instruction article are very confusing. I apologize for my technological illiteracy, but could you please clarify how this works? Has one ever considered Magneton? Pokelego999 (talk) 15:00, 28 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    @Pokelego999: I've done a drive-by reference bundle, so this issue is fixed. In the future, you can bundle references by playing them within a {{efn}} footnote that reads like Supported by multiple sources:[1][2][etc], with the <ref> tags placed inside the efn. If you use Visual Editor, you will have to enter the {{efn}} menu thing and then manually insert the references in there as they'd be formatted in the Source Editor. (But you can always generate them in VE and then switch to Source and just encase them in the efn.) DecafPotato (talk) 07:23, 30 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    @DecafPotato Thank you for the help and the detailed response! Has one ever considered Magneton? Pokelego999 (talk) 16:12, 30 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Pokémon, that evolves from Wiglett - No need for that comma.
- Fixed. Has one ever considered Magneton? Pokelego999 (talk) 22:33, 27 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Flamigo's design was criticized by fans - Why? And why did it then garner popularity?
- Clarified information in this section. Has one ever considered Magneton? Pokelego999 (talk) 22:33, 27 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Why is Cetitan linked?
- No idea, good catch. Fixed. Has one ever considered Magneton? Pokelego999 (talk) 22:33, 27 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
incredibly cold - I think "very cold" is more encyclopedic?
- Changed. Has one ever considered Magneton? Pokelego999 (talk) 22:33, 27 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Kingambit, is - No need for that comma.
- Fixed. Has one ever considered Magneton? Pokelego999 (talk) 22:33, 27 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
are Paradox Pokémon- Pokémon who hail from different time periods than normal Pokémon- - {{mdash}}es, please.
- Fixed per above. Has one ever considered Magneton? Pokelego999 (talk) 22:33, 27 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I'm leaving the table for now, given that there are many things that I've pointed out and that would need work. Going into the "Reception" section now:

Noting these traits, she felt that it allowed - Maybe "they"?
Several Pokemon, such as Annihilape, Palafin, Flutter Mane, Iron Bundle, and Houndstone ended up - A comma is missing before "ended up".
- Changed. Has one ever considered Magneton? Pokelego999 (talk) 22:33, 27 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
There are some curly apostrophes.
- I'm a bit confused about the curly apostrophes, since the only ones used in Reception are in direct quotes from cited sources, and not used in the actual prose. Could you clarify on this? Has one ever considered Magneton? Pokelego999 (talk) 22:33, 27 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  - They’re barely even creatures, they’re just - Should those apostrophes be curly? I really don't know, I was just pointing out in case it was a mistake. Alavense (talk) 05:43, 28 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    They're direct quotations from the original author, so I'm not sure if that's supposed to be changed or not. I only left them because these are the author's words, and thus I wished to leave them as unedited as possible. Has one ever considered Magneton? Pokelego999 (talk) 14:55, 28 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    - Okay, then. No problem, I guess. Alavense (talk) 08:44, 29 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
the simplicity of the generations' designs - It's only one generation, isn't it?
- Typo. Fixed. Has one ever considered Magneton? Pokelego999 (talk) 22:33, 27 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Several designs have also been noted as being popular with the LGBTQ+ community. Many described Quaquaval as being popular with LGBTQ+ fans - Both sentences could be merged.
- Done. Has one ever considered Magneton? Pokelego999 (talk) 22:33, 27 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I feel the list still needs a bit of doing up, but I won't oppose. Let's see if you can start working on these comments and how the list stands after that. Kind regards, Alavense (talk) 09:41, 27 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Alavense: Let me know if anything else needs fixing, and if anything else needs to be done. Let me know if anything above needs clarifying as well. Has one ever considered Magneton? Pokelego999 (talk) 22:33, 27 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

As a note, given that there cannot be copyright-free images of the pokemon, it would be very hard to justify the inclusion of dozens of them in this list, unfortunately. --Pres N 22:18, 27 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry for the suggestion of including the images. My bad. I've replied to your replies with some clarifications. I will then carry on reading the table when I get more time. Thanks and kind regards, Alavense (talk) 05:41, 28 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Alavense responded to the above. Has one ever considered Magneton? Pokelego999 (talk) 15:00, 28 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

A few more:

the chest form, and a second "Roaming Form" - No need for that comma.
the beads are said to be filled the envy of those which wanted to have them - Is something missing there?
and Miraidon the future - and Miraidon from the future
with the -don suffix in reference to a frequent suffix for dinosaurs - Maybe something simpler like with the -don suffix being a reference to dinosaurs?
as part of an event, where players could battle - No need for that comma.

That's what I got. Kind regards, Alavense (talk) 08:55, 29 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Alavense addressed your concerns on the above comments. On the subject of the repetition in the Paradoxes section, the main reason I made them standard is because there's no real way to phrase it concisely without making it more messy or repetitive. I could potentially shorten it down to something like "Iron Treads is a Pokémon resembling Donphan..." or something like that, but the repetition would still remain. Unmerging the cells would not fix the problem, as it would still remain regardless, but only with the added point that these Pokémon that are normally grouped together are now separated. If you feel there's a better way to write this, let me know, but I feel as of right now this is the most consistent and straightforward way to cover the information for readers. Has one ever considered Magneton? Pokelego999 (talk) 16:40, 29 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you very much for your quick responses. I think the list is comprehensive and meets the criteria. Nice work. Support. Alavense (talk) 11:29, 30 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]