Wikipedia:Featured list candidates/List of helicopter prison escapes/archive1

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The list was not promoted by Matthewedwards 00:34, 30 May 2009 [1].

List of helicopter prison escapes

Nominator(s): Esemono (talk) 03:16, 16 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Featured list candidates/List of helicopter prison escapes/archive1

I am nominating this for featured list because after making the recommended changes after the peer review it is ready for you to pick apart. But I do have a question in the Escapee field most of the time there is only one person so it is nice to sort the table so you can find a specific Escapee. But sometimes there is several people who escape by helicopter. So my question is how do you handle the formating in a sortable table for the escapes with several people? Do you sort just the first person, don't sort that field, give a default sort symbol like a dash? If you have the time any advice would be great! -- Esemono (talk) 03:16, 16 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Could you close the peer review, please? As per the FLC instructions, nominations may not be listed at PR at the same time as being here. Cheers. Matthewedwards : Chat 03:51, 16 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I closed it for the nominator.—Chris! _ct 04:44, 16 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

OK. Thanks, Chris. Matthewedwards : Chat 05:32, 16 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry! My mistake, thanks Chris -- Esemono (talk) 06:25, 16 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose

Even though it has a key, the "Success or Failure" images also should have alt text. I personally think the whole thing is tacky. I'd just have a column "Success?" and Yes or No. If you want to have graphics you could use {{Yes}}/{{No}} or {{Tick}}/{{Cross}}.
- They have alt text -- Esemono (talk) 01:06, 17 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
"Helicopter prison escapes as the name implies is escaping prison using a helicopter." is not a good opening sentence. As it stands it is missing a couple of commas, but I would suggest changing it completely. You don't have to repeat the title of the article in the lead.
- fixed -- Esemono (talk) 01:06, 17 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I'm not happy with the fair use claim for the non-free image. We have very strict criteria for fair-use images. Just because a free image doesn't exist, does not mean we can use a copyrighted one.
- fixed -- Esemono (talk) 01:06, 17 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
"One of the first instances of using" if there were others before it, this list isn't comprehensive. Ideally I think there should be a reference for being the first escape to use a chopper.
- What if it's changed to, "one of the earliest"? -- Esemono (talk) 01:06, 17 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Ref for the book existing and being based on his experience.
- fixed -- Esemono (talk) 01:06, 17 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Do thinks like horizontal and
- Unsure what you mean-- Esemono (talk) 01:06, 17 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
"The most spectacular" according to?
- fixed -- Esemono (talk) 01:06, 17 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Also the Times article mentions "spectacular" in reference to 10 jailbreaks. Who's to say the most recent 11th wasn't more spectacular
"On one of her first solo flights" The reference doesn't say that, it's WP:OR
- fixed -- Esemono (talk) 01:06, 17 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Titles is "escapes", lead says "to be counted as a helicopter escape, a helicopter must be used to free prisoners from a place of internment, a prison or correctional facility". But foiled plans like the January, 1983 one are included.
- Tried to clear up-- Esemono (talk) 01:06, 17 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Prose needs copyediting.
- "By far the most helicopter escapes happen in France with at least 11 helicopter jail breaks." bad wording
- "in Jan, 2003" don't use three letter months
  - fixed -- Esemono (talk) 01:06, 17 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  - nor a comma between month and year Reywas92^Talk 23:34, 16 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    - fixed -- Esemono (talk) 01:06, 17 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- "Of the five only Victor Gonzalez Diaz wasn’t recaptured immediately." should have a comma after five.
  - fixed -- Esemono (talk) 01:06, 17 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- "use a helicopter free a one or several people out of the prison" missing word.
  - fixed -- Esemono (talk) 01:06, 17 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Rambo's Revenge (talk) 20:11, 16 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Um, is is really necessary to define what a helicopter and a prison is? Reywas92 ^Talk 23:34, 16 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Check the toolbox to your right, there is one disambiguation link that needs to be fixed and a one dead link. Dabomb87 (talk) 17:10, 24 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Fixed the dab and that Timesonline link isn't dead its just something with the timesonline site. -- Esemono (talk) 03:54, 25 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Review by Truco (talk · contribs)

Lead

I also find the explanations of what a prison/helicopter is unnecessary, these are common items that people are aware of.

fixed -- Esemono (talk) 10:39, 26 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

'By far the most helicopter escapes happen in France with at least 11 helicopter jail breaks.' --> By far, the most helicopter escapes have occurred in France, with at least 11.

fixed -- Esemono (talk) 10:39, 26 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

'Using her new found skills she a rented white helicopter and flying low over Paris plucked her husband off the roof of his fortress prison.' --> Using her new found skills, she rented a white helicopter and flew low over Paris to pluck her husband off the roof of his fortress prison.

fixed -- Esemono (talk) 10:39, 26 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

'Michel was later killed in a shoot out with police and his pilot wife arrested.' -- 1)Comma before 'and' 2)+was before 'arrested'

fixed -- Esemono (talk) 10:39, 26 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The lead could use some expansion to summarize the list more, such as the most recent jail break via chopper, and other significant statistics.

expanded -- Esemono (talk) 10:39, 26 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

List

I too find the use of the images to detail successful/non-successful attempts a bit tacky. If you're going to at least use them, can you write Yes or No next to them?
I don't know about the use of that much details is good for this list. I think just a summary of why the convict is in jail should suffice.

Escapes in fiction

Why is this needed? Its a bit trivial to me, as it takes away from the overall meaning of the list.

References

There is an inconsistency with formatting of some of the publishers, be consistent. Such as Times/TIMES.

fixed -- Esemono (talk) 10:39, 26 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Linking of the publishers also needs to be consistent: link all, link on first occurrence, or don't link at all.

Cleaned up-- Esemono (talk) 10:39, 26 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Ref 40: Filmhobbit is the work, Cinema Blend LLC is the publisher.

fixed -- Esemono (talk) 10:39, 26 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

--Tru co 23:11, 25 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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