Wikipedia:Featured list candidates/PCA Young Player of the Year/archive1

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PCA Young Player of the Year

Featured list candidates/PCA Young Player of the Year/archive1

Nominator(s): Harrias ^talk 09:24, 8 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

In 2015, when I nominated the similar PCA Player of the Year award, there was not a full published list of winners for this award, so I had to leave it for another day. Now, that information is available, and so I present this list for your inspection. A cricket award, given to the best young player in English county cricket, as voted by their peers, this is modelled off the aforementioned list. As always, all comments and criticism invited. Harrias ^talk 09:24, 8 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I made one small tweak which it was easier to just do than list here but couldn't find anything else so am happy to support -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 09:57, 8 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Resolved comments from The Rambling Man (Stay indoors, stay safe!!!!) 17:07, 13 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Comments

I think you could possibly add an image column as most of these recipients have freely available images that can be used.

Enough don't that I think it would look a bit messy. Harrias ^talk 08:43, 13 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I can't parse that, but I'll take it as a polite decline of the suggestion...! The Rambling Man (Stay indoors, stay safe!!!!) 08:48, 13 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry, I probably should have used more words. I think enough of the players are lacking images (Lathwell, Crawley, Peng, Pope, Banton) that to include an image column would look messy. So, yes, a polite decline. Harrias ^talk 09:09, 13 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

You have John Arlott Cup for the PCA Young Player of the Year in bold, is that it's real name? I'm curious as to why that wouldn't be the name of the article. But in any case, you can create John Arlott Cup for the PCA Young Player of the Year as a viable redirect.

Created the redirect. I did hum and har over this; it is generally just referred to as the PCA Young Player of the Year, but both forms appear. Harrias ^talk 08:43, 13 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Question: is it only for English players by which I mean those who are eligible to play for England?

I think so, but I haven't been able to find a reliable source stating as much. Harrias ^talk 08:43, 13 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

The Argus is a dab link.

Sorted. Harrias ^talk 08:43, 13 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Just something to consider, the PCA main award has a sucbox template for each awardee's article, could do the same for this one.
"collected the award most frequently, doing " -> "collected the most awards, doing "

Changed as suggested. Harrias ^talk 08:43, 13 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

As Wisden in your refs is piped to the almanack, shouldn't it be in italics?

Removed the link. Harrias ^talk 08:43, 13 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I think the focus of the row scopes should be the player name, not the year of the award.

I don't think so, see the discussion at this FLC; RexxS, who I consider the expert on these matters, clarifies that the rowscope should be "the cell in a row that uniquely identifies that row". Harrias ^talk 08:43, 13 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

That's very strange. The W3C convention is to identify the key element of each row, the one that is the subject. And that's the individual in this case, not the year. The Rambling Man (Stay indoors, stay safe!!!!) 08:48, 13 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
And I'm not sure that's a fair comparison. The list of test matches has no real candidate for best target, so the number of the test match is probably the best. If there was a unique article for each and every one of those Test matches, then that would be the obvious target for the row scope. The Rambling Man (Stay indoors, stay safe!!!!) 08:50, 13 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I think you're right, I probably misinterpreted. A screen reader saying "1990 club Lancashire" then "1991 club Derbyshire" makes less sense to me than "Michael Atherton club Lancashire" then "Dominic Cork club Derbyshire". But as I tagged him above, I'm sure RexxS will chime in if it's wrong. Harrias ^talk 09:09, 13 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
NB: I have changed it to the player name for the moment, at least. Harrias ^talk 09:09, 13 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
- I would have used player name for the row header. When there may be a choice between unique keys, then sometimes you can figure out what is best by considering how it would sound, just as Harrias does above. At other times, it might work either way, and then it comes down to an editors's preference – it's difficult to give hard-and-fast "rules". Cheers --RexxS (talk) 16:14, 13 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

That's it for me. Oh, and "WikiCup review disclaimer &c." Cheers. The Rambling Man (Stay indoors, stay safe!!!!) 08:59, 12 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@The Rambling Man: Cheers, responded above. Harrias ^talk 08:43, 13 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@The Rambling Man: Where do we stand with this one? Harrias ^talk 16:39, 13 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Support looks good to me. The Rambling Man (Stay indoors, stay safe!!!!) 17:07, 13 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Resolved comments from Bloom6132 (talk) 10:12, 18 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Comments –

"As of 2020" – consider using the {{As of}} template, so that the year can be updated annually.

Done. Harrias ^talk 09:58, 18 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Might want to merge the first two sentences together – "… annual cricket award presented to the player …"

Yup, that works well, changed. Harrias ^talk 09:58, 18 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

On the other hand, consider splitting this sentence into two – "The award is well regarded by its recipients. The 2017 winner …"

I'm not keen, the second part of the sentence supports the first, so to me, this works better together. Harrias ^talk 09:58, 18 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Fair. —Bloom6132 (talk) 10:12, 18 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

"the 2017 winner, Jamie Porter exemplified …" – perhaps place the subject at the beginning of the sentence

Flipped as suggested. Harrias ^talk 09:58, 18 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Also, whatever order you choose, an extra comma should follow either "winner" or Porter".

And added. Harrias ^talk 09:58, 18 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Perhaps move ref 6 from the table caption to a new "General references" subsection under "References".

I don't like the use of "General references", for the reasons laid out in WP:GENREF. Harrias ^talk 09:58, 18 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Read the prose in detail – looks all good.
Images utilized are licensed and tagged, with appropriate alt text.

—Bloom6132 (talk) 00:42, 17 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Bloom6132: Cheers for the review; responses above. Harrias ^talk 09:58, 18 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

P.S. could I please trouble you to have a look at this FLC of mine when you have the time? Cheers! —Bloom6132 (talk) 08:34, 27 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Bloom6132: Added to my to do list. Harrias ^talk 08:51, 27 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Support – all comments addressed. Looks to me like it meets all 6 FL criteria. Great work! —Bloom6132 (talk) 10:12, 18 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Note: I am participating in the WikiCup, and intend to claim points from the above review. —Bloom6132 (talk) 00:42, 17 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I've never been one for bugging coordinators, but looking at Wikipedia:Featured list candidates/List of Roman Catholic archbishops of Montreal/archive1, which got its third support three weeks after this list, I guess I should, so... @Giants2008 and PresN: if you are of the opinion that this nom is close to passing, could I please trouble one of you to give this a dedicated source review? Cheers! Harrias ^talk 10:42, 10 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Apologies: I was a bit cranky yesterday, this was unnecessary. Harrias ^talk 21:09, 11 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Source review - Pass

Not many sources here so this should only take a second. Aza24 (talk) 08:25, 13 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Ref 2 missing date
- Added. Harrias ^talk 13:49, 13 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Ref 3 I believe Wisden (for Ref 7 as well) can be linked to Wisden Cricketers' Almanack
- There has been some debate about this in previous reviews, when I have been asked to delink it. That page is specifically about the book; the website is published by the same company, but includes different content. That said, I have linked it for the moment. Harrias ^talk 13:49, 13 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  - Ah I see, I was admittedly unsure as well. The source review passes either way so do whatever you're most comfortable with. Aza24 (talk) 22:06, 13 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
These minor fixes and then easy pass. Aza24 (talk) 08:31, 13 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
- Cheers Aza24, all done. Harrias ^talk 13:49, 13 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  - Good work, pass for source review. Aza24 (talk) 22:06, 13 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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