Wikipedia:Featured list candidates/PDSA Gold Medal/archive1

The following is an archived discussion of a featured list nomination. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the article's talk page or in Wikipedia talk:Featured list candidates. No further edits should be made to this page.

The list was promoted by Dabomb87 03:39, 4 November 2010 [1].

PDSA Gold Medal

Featured list candidates/PDSA Gold Medal/archive1

Nominator(s): The Rambling Man (talk) 13:51, 17 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I am nominating this for featured list because, like Dickin Medal, it holds a special place in my heart. I have one current FLC which is of a completely different nature (which has some support and in which reviewers' concerns have been substantially addressed), and trust that the community believe that I will be capable of maintaing two simultaneous nominations. Of course, if not, then I will graciously withdraw! In any case, as ever, thank you for your interest in this niche list, and for any comments, improvements, support or otherwise. (My other nomination has no outstanding issues and three supports). The Rambling Man (talk) 13:51, 17 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Comment—no dab links, no dead external links. Ucucha 13:56, 17 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- Thank you Ucucha. The Rambling Man (talk) 17:05, 17 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Resolved comments from Nergaal (talk) 02:59, 28 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

*Comments: The lead should make sure to say that the medal refers to UK only (or if not, in what circumstances can be awarded to other contries). Considering the subject, it might be appropriate to have a column on the race of the dogs. Also, I would prefer listing the entries in order of the incidents (after the award date), unless there is a reason for the current entry order. Nergaal (talk) 23:52, 17 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

- There's nothing to suggest this is for UK animals only, the official website does not make that distinction. All current recipients are from the UK so a nationality column would be redundant. The current ordering is per date of award, which is logical since this is about the award. Cheers for your comments. The Rambling Man (talk) 07:50, 18 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  Bamse was Norwegian (though that's no reason to introduce a nationality column). Yomangani ^talk 00:10, 20 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  Yes, that's true, my mistake. But as you say, I'm still not convinced a nationality column is useful. The Rambling Man (talk) 06:24, 20 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  
  I was not thinking of a column for nationality. But I think it is worthwhile enough to point in the intro (right after all recipients are dogs) that all are UK except for the Norwegian one. Nergaal (talk) 23:47, 20 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  
  I was thinking of moving the race of the dogs from notes into a separate column. Would that look bad? Nergaal (talk) 23:47, 20 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  I think just a note in the end of the lead would suffice. Added. The Rambling Man (talk) 07:50, 21 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  - ~~Why is Bulla the 3rd? He appears to have receiver the medal on the same date as the other two, but his incident was before the others'.~~ Nergaal (talk) 15:55, 18 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
    - Fair point, what I've done is order them first by award date, then by incident date. I think I got it right. What do you think? The Rambling Man (talk) 16:13, 18 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
      - Yep, looks good. Nergaal (talk) 01:29, 21 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- ~~Ref #10 is missing the date.~~ Nergaal (talk) 23:56, 20 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  - Added. The Rambling Man (talk) 07:50, 21 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

- Is there a reason why only one picture is shown? Nergaal (talk) 23:56, 20 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  - Couldn't find any others which weren't fair use. Would happily add more if they are available and have valid licensing. The Rambling Man (talk) 07:50, 21 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
    - Since the picture File:Bamse (St. Bernard).jpg was taken before 1945, when should the copyright expire? Nergaal (talk) 02:46, 22 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
      - I'm not sure, I'm no expert in this. Perhaps someone else could comment? The Rambling Man (talk) 06:25, 22 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
        The copyright would expire 70 years after the photo was taken at the earliest. If you assume the photo was taken and published in 1939 and the creator is unknown it would be possible to claim the copyright had expired, but this is an unsafe assumption as the date is unlikely and the creator could probably be uncovered with a little research. Yomangani ^talk 09:41, 22 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Support very good choice of list, and well written. Nergaal (talk) 02:46, 22 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Comments –

~~"if the animal dies or suffers serious injury whilst carrying out its official duties in the face of armed and violent opposition." "while" is tighter prose-wise than "whilst", or so I've been told.~~
- Have -st/+e The Rambling Man (talk) 11:45, 31 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
~~"an assistance dog whose actions help save the life of his disabled owner." "help" should be "helped", assuming this isn't ongoing (from the list itself that doesn't seem the case).~~
- Reworded as "actions helped to save", is that better? The Rambling Man (talk) 11:45, 31 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
~~Should the publisher's abbreviation be fully spelled out in the external link?~~ Giants2008 (27 and counting) 21:22, 30 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- Good news! It is now! Thanks for your comments! The Rambling Man (talk) 11:45, 31 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  - Support – Meets FL standards. Giants2008 (27 and counting) 20:17, 3 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Support. Such a lovely list, I couldn't see anything wrong as I read through it. I did have a quick search on Flickr for another free image, but unfortunately there weren't any. I'll keep checking for you though. - JuneGloom07 Talk? 14:51, 31 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Resolved comments from Courcelles 22:04, 31 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

*Comments

The main thing I'm seeing is that the lede could stand to be longer, if there is anything else to say. There's three paragraphs, of 2, 2, and 3 sentences.

Not much more, you're right, but merged to two paras, and talked about most recent award. Anything else you could suggest? The Rambling Man (talk) 21:59, 31 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

The external link and ref 4 seem to be the same. Therefore the entire external link section should be removed as superfluous.

Changed EL to the home page of PDSA, the awarding organisation, which I believe is a reasonable replacement. Good spot, thanks. The Rambling Man (talk) 21:59, 31 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Courcelles 21:13, 31 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for your comments, as ever. The Rambling Man (talk) 21:59, 31 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Support Looks good. Courcelles 22:04, 31 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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