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Slovenia at the Olympics

Featured list candidates/Slovenia at the Olympics/archive1

Nominator(s): Tone 15:04, 22 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I am nominating this for featured list because I believe it contains all the relevant information regarding Slovenia at the Olympics, and is presented in a comprehensible way. Since most of the article consists of tables, I believe it is appropriate to nominate it for a FL. The criteria:

1&2 - Should be fine. Probably some tweaks will be required, please point them out in the review.
3 - Contains lists of medallists, number of athletes at each Games, and also a list of Slovenian medallists representing former countries (but clearly listed separately with an explanation). I was considering including a list of flag-bearers at the opening ceremonies but that is a separate article already so I avoided forking.
4 - That should be fine.
5 - The tables follow the style of related articles. Flags and pictograms are public domain. No other images, though some portraits (perhaps Tina Maze and Iztok Čop) could be included. Depends on the reviews.
6 - I expect no major changes until the 2018 Winter Olympics ;)

Tone 15:04, 22 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Addressed comments from - Yellow Dingo (talk) 07:13, 31 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Per MOS:BOLDAVOID — "In general, if the article's title is absent from the first sentence, do not apply the bold style to related text that does appear" — unbold "Slovenia" and "Olympic Games" in the first sentence
"Games in 1992 (Albertville)" → "Games at the 1992 Winter Olympics in Albertville, France"
'and has sent" → "and the country has sent"
Link "Olympics in 1912" to 1912 Summer Olympics
"became the first Slovene winning an Olympic medal, a silver in team sabre." → "became the first Slovene to win an Olympic medal, a silver in the team sabre."
"until the independence" → "until Slovenia's independence"
"medals for Kingdom of Yugoslavia" → "medals for the Kingdom of Yugoslavia"
"All Winter Olympic medals for Yugoslavia" → "All of Yugoslavia's Winter Olympic medals"
"won in Sarajevo" → "won at the 1984 Winter Olympics in Sarajevo, Yugoslavia
'The National Olympic Committee for Slovenia" → The Slovenian Olympic Committee
"and recognized on" ^{[by whom?]}
"under Slovenian flag" → "under the Slovenian flag"
"Among summer events, the most successful were the 2000 Summer Olympics with two gold medals and the 2008 Summer Olympics with five medals overall, one of which was gold." → "Slovenia's most successful Summer Olympics have been the 2000 Games where they won two gold medals and the 2008 Games where they won five medals including one gold."
"Slovenian athletes won record" → "Slovenian athletes won a record"
"Rajmond Debevec (shooting) competed at the Olympics eight times so far (1984–2012, first two times representing Yugoslavia)." → Rajmond Debevec (shooting) has competed at the Olympics eight times as of 2016^[update] between 1984 to 2012, including two Olympics representing Yugoslavia.
"Merlene Ottey (athletics) competed seven times (1980–2004, first six times representing Jamaica, for which she won nine medals)." → "Track and field athlete Merlene Ottey competed at the Olympics seven times between 1980 to 2004, including six for Jamaica, winning nine medals.
The four medallist tables should be sorted by medal type first and year second
In general the lead is laking citations. The first paragraph especially requires quite a bit of work. Statements that aren't common knowledge like "Before the Second World War, all Olympic medals for Kingdom of Yugoslavia were won by gymnasts, mostly Slovenians." need a reference.

— Good work so far but their is a bit more work to go. - Yellow Dingo (talk) 06:26, 28 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks! I think I'm through with the revisions. As for the medal tables, I'd leave them as they are, since a chronological ordering makes slightly more sense IMO. In any case, they are sortable. As for the references in the first paragraph, I added some, the rest should be clear from the continuation of the article (such as medals at the winter games for Yugoslavia). Let me know if there's anything else I should do. --Tone 16:36, 28 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Further comments from Yellow Dingo

In the first sentence their is no need to link France as we don't normally link major countries per WP:OVERLINK
"the all-around team" - Which all-around team?
'The National Olympic Committee for Slovenia" → The Slovenian Olympic Committee
"and recognized" → "and was recognised"
"Slovenian athletes have won a total of 23 medals at the Summer Olympic Games and another 15 at the Winter Olympic Games." - Do you mean Slovenian athletes competing for Slovenia or Slovenia athletes in general. You probably should clarify
"Slovenia0s" - → "Slovenia's"
"Slovenian athletes won" → "Slovenian athletes have won"
Link "judo" to Judo
Link "alpine skiing" to Alpine skiing
References 3 and 4 need filling out
The title for ref 1 shouldn't have the word "at"
In ref 1 "Sports-reference.com" should link to Sports Reference
I have made three minor copyedits. - Yellow Dingo (talk) 08:56, 29 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

— Ok nice work on the first lot. I have found a few more issues but this article is now getting close to FL standard. - Yellow Dingo (talk) 08:56, 29 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Done! At some point in future, I also plan to update the Rio references with sports-reference, so that it is consistent. But the last time I checked, they did not have them updated yet. --Tone 14:46, 29 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

This list is vastly improved and I am happy to support on prose. No comment on referencing or the ref templates, I will leave that to the source review. Note: I made this copyedit as well as the three mentioned above. Well done Tone! - Yellow Dingo (talk) 07:13, 31 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
- Thank you! --Tone 08:22, 31 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Resolved comments from Cheetah (talk)

Comments
- The first sentence and the whole second paragraph should be merged. They both say the same thing.
- as a part of → as part of (several instances)
- Source [51] also mentions - what source? it should be named. Also, the footnotes always should be placed after punctuation marks.
- 1988 Seoul Olympics[52] and Vinko Jelovac - see above
- Jelovac holds both Slovenian and Croatian passport and was twice chosen as Slovenian Sportsman of the Year in the 1970s. - "holds both Slovenian and Croatian passport and" part should be removed from that sentence. He won that award in 1970s when there were no Croatian or Slovenian passports.
- There are several references in another language; not English. They should mention in what language they are written.

--Cheetah (talk) 06:42, 10 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]

- Thanks! I believe I have addressed all the comments, please check. --Tone 15:44, 18 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Support - --Cheetah (talk) 00:34, 19 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Resolved comments from The Rambling Man (talk) 09:08, 8 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Comments

" Olympics in 1912 as " should really reword to say their first appearance was at the 1912 Summer Olympics, rather than that easter egg link.
- Done.
I'm seeing a few spaced hyphens in the reference titles, these should be en-dashes.
- Those were done by a script. If this is wrong, perhaps the script should be fixed as well?
  - Dunno, I've done this using the script I use... The Rambling Man (talk) 20:04, 25 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]
    - Ah, I thought you meant the dashes in the references. Thanks for fixing it ;) --Tone 20:34, 25 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]
" the team sabre" specifically it was the "men's" team sabre.
- Done.
Should link Slovene.
- You mean to Slovenian people? I currently made a link in the first mention, let me know if this is what you had in mind. ]
  - Well you have "Slovenian" and "Slovene"; are they interchangeable? Do they mean the same thing. The Rambling Man (talk) 20:04, 25 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]
    - When talking about people, yes. It can also mean the language, which is not the case here. Perhaps this link is redundant then. --Tone 20:34, 25 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]
      - I would unlink it as right now it links to a disambiguation page. The Rambling Man (talk) 07:54, 8 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]
        Removed. --Tone 09:02, 8 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]
"Rajmond Debevec (shooting) " this is an odd way of writing prose, why not "The shooter Rajmon Debevec..."? Similarly " was Nastja Govejšek (swimming)", why not "was the swimmer Nastja..."?
- Changed. I kept the links to the sports. --Tone 19:56, 25 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]
"Track and field athlete Merlene Ottey competed at the Olympics seven times between 1980 and 2004. In her first six appearances, she was representing Jamaica, for whom she won nine medals.[7] " this appears to have no relevance to the article. I know, because I looked it up, hse represented Slovenia from 2002 onwards, but that's not clear here.
- Well, Ottey still is a Slovenian athlete with seven Olympic appearances, which I think is interesting to mention it somewhere. As for women with most appearances, I found 3 with 4 in a quick check. I guess that's too many to list individually.
  - But the article didn't actually make any comment to suggest that Ottey represents Slovenia... The Rambling Man (talk) 20:04, 25 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]
    - Ah, that's what you thought. Added. --Tone 20:34, 25 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]
What makes www.medalspercapita.com a reliable source?
- I found some sources that cite this site, Time, for example. That makes it relevant enough for me. Alternatively, there are such articles for individual games, but I have not found another comparable site.
  - Please provide citations. The Rambling Man (talk) 20:04, 25 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]
    - Added some general and some for Rio and London. There are more for Beijing, for example. I leave it to your opinion how many and which should be there. --Tone 19:43, 4 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Tables all need row and col scopes per MOS:TABLE.
- Hm, I can't find the word "scope" in the manual :/ Did you mean sortability? --Tone 20:34, 25 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  - Yep, was supposed to be MOS:ACCESS. The Rambling Man (talk) 21:45, 4 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]
    - @The Rambling Man:. I see, that's something I wasn't using before. Fixed! At the same time, I shrinked the multiple medallist table, it was too broad. --Tone 09:15, 5 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Where are the number of athletes at each Games referenced?
- That's the first reference, Slovenia at the Olympics at sports-reference. Also the medals.
  - Re-add it inline with the tables, currently that section has no inline references. The Rambling Man (talk) 20:08, 25 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]
    - Do you like what I did? --Tone 20:34, 25 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Sex, for whatever reason it's listed, ought to be next to the name of the athlete.
- IDK, should I just remove it instead? Easy to move, otherwise.
  - Move it. The Rambling Man (talk) 20:04, 25 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]
    - Done. --Tone 20:34, 25 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]

The Rambling Man (talk) 12:39, 25 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks! I went through some now, will continue soon. My responses above, feel free to comment now already. --Tone 19:56, 25 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]

@The Rambling Man: - I think this is ready for the next check. Sorry, it took me a while. --Tone 19:43, 4 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Support nice work. The Rambling Man (talk) 09:08, 8 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Made some edits to the references- the work for Sports Reference is the actual name as such, not the website url, like how it's CNN, not cnn.com. Made the edits myself, so, source review passed, promoting. --Pres N 03:49, 11 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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