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Timeline of the 1977 Pacific hurricane season

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Nominator(s): Anhamirak 16:08, 11 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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I am nominating this for featured list because... I have checked the article and I feel that it meet FLC criteria. Also I have made sure that the issues put up in my previous FLCs are addressed. Anhamirak 16:08, 11 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Comment Images need alternative text per criterion 5b. Also, image captions that are not complete sentences should not have periods at the end. Dabomb87 (talk) 03:30, 12 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Done Added alternative text. --Anhamirak 13:37, 12 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose from Dabomb87 (talk · contribs)

  • The problems begin in the first sentence:
    • "The 1977 Pacific hurricane season has" "had", as the season is not ongoing. done
    • "producing 17 tropical depressions; only eight of which became tropical storms or hurricanes." Comparable quantities should be formatted the same (17 and 8 or seventeen and eight). The semicolon use is wrong; use a comma instead. Remove "only". done
  • "The timeline also includes information which was not" "which"-->that done
  • "September was the most active month, producing only three named storm storms" Remove "only". done
  • "of which one was Hurricane Florence, the strongest of the season." Awkward. Try "including Hurricane Florence, the strongest of the season" done
  • "Tropical Depression Seventeen, the last storm of the year" Comma after here. done
  • "Starting in the 1978 season, the naming lists included male names as well as female names." Remove "as female names", you've already told us this. done
  • As Julian said, please provide locations. Giving only the date and name of storm is vague and not as helpful as other TC timelines. done
  • "Timeline of Events"-->Timeline of storms done
  • UTC should be linked, too. done Dabomb87 (talk) 19:23, 18 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Working on it (Anhamirak) --67.87.69.243 (talk) 14:08, 20 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Will do the locations now.--67.87.69.243 (talk) 14:09, 20 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Support Meets Criteria. Leave Message, Yellow Evan home :::I will finish the locations later today when I can get back on my desktop. --Anhamirak 14:32, 20 July 2009 (UTC) OK. Leave Message, Yellow Evan home[reply]

I finally finished the locations. --Anhamirak 19:41, 26 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose
  • The season officially started on May 15, 1977 in the eastern Pacific, designated as the area east of 140°W, and on June 1, 1977 in the central Pacific, which is between the International Date Line and 140°W, and lasted until November 30, 1977. - Very choppy, almost unreadable. done
  • This timeline documents all the storm formations, strengthening, weakening, landfalls, extratropical transitions, as well as dissipation - Why plural "formations" and "landfalls", but singular "strengthening", "weakening", and "dissipation"? **see below**
  • The timeline also includes information that was not operationally released, meaning that information from post-storm reviews by the National Hurricane Center, such as information on a storm that was not operationally warned on, have been included. - Several issues with this sentence. First, it's not that the information was not operationally released; the information was simply not known at the time, so that statement is misleading. Second, "information ... have been included"? Finally, this sentence is rather long and unwieldy. done
  • . June, July, and August each had one named storm form during the month. - "each had one name storm form" is poorly worded. done
  • September was the most active month, producing three named storm storms, including Hurricane Florence, the strongest of the season. - Unnecessarily choppy. done
  • This season was the last to use the old naming lists that only had female names. Starting in the 1978 season, the naming lists began to include male names. - Needs a source. done
  • "Tracking map" → "Track map" in the image captions. done
  • Alt text needs work; for example, "Monochrome infrared satellite photo of Tropical Storm Ava" is useless to the visually impaired who use screen readers. Alt text should describe only what can be seen from the image itself; in this case, 99% of readers wouldn't know what a monochrome infrared satellite or Tropical Storm Ava is. done
  • The 1977 Pacific hurricane season begins. - The entire Pacific, or just the eastern Pacific? Needs clarification. done
  • Tropical Depression Three dissipates just 2 miles from where it formed while 352 miles (565 km) west of the Honduras–Nicaragua border. - 2 miles needs a metric conversion. done
  • Tropical Depression Four strengthens into a tropical storm and is named Bernice while reaching its peak intensity of 40 mph (65 km/h). - This would be better I think: "Tropical Depression Four strengthens into a tropical storm and is named Bernice; simultaneously, it reaches its peak intensity of 40 mph (65 km/h)." done
  • Tropical Depression Claudia dissipates 1385 miles (2230 km) west of Cabo San Lucas, Mexico. - Needs a source. done
  • Why is Cabo San Lucas, Mexico linked a million times? done
  • Atlantic Tropical Depression Anita (formerly Hurricane Anita) moves into the Pacific Ocean and is re-designated as Tropical Depression Eleven. - Unnecessarily complex. Try this: "Former Hurricane Anita in the Atlantic moves into the Pacific Ocean and is re-designated as Tropical Depression Eleven." done
  • Tropical Depression Twelve strengthens into a tropical storm and is named Emily while reaching its peak intensity of 40 mph (65 km/h). - Same thing as above. done
  • Hurricane Florence strengthens into a category 2 hurricane and reaches its peak intensity of 105 mph (170 km/h). - "Category" should be capitalized. done
  • Tropical Storm Heather strengthens into the fourth—and final—hurricane of the season. - No need for dashes. done
  • The 1977 Pacific and Central hurricane seasons end. - Eh? This is inaccurate, not to mention misleading. "The 1997 eastern and central Pacific hurricane seasons end". done

–Juliancolton | Talk 20:11, 26 July 2009 (UTC) :Comment- What do you mean by 1997 eastern and central pacific hurricane seasons end? --Anhamirak 20:55, 26 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Also, isn't strengthening and weakening plural as well as singular? --Anhamirak 21:07, 26 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Not entirely sure; perhaps you could ask Tony1 (talk · contribs)? Also, alt text still needs significant work throughout. For help with that, you'd want to consult with Eubulides (talk · contribs). –Juliancolton | Talk 22:24, 26 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Alt text still needs work. Please describe only what information you can obtain by looking at the image itself. What colors do the Saffir Simpson Hurricane Scale use? 99% of readers wouldn't know that. –Juliancolton | Talk 16:41, 29 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Juliancolton asked me to take a look at the alt text. It's weak, as it mostly duplicates the captions, and it gives information that is not immediately verifiable by a non-expert who can see only the image. Please read WP:ALT #Difference from captions and WP:ALT #What not to specify. Then please reword the alt text. The following phrases are OK: "Satellite image", "storm", "Map of the path", "Much of the Baja Peninsula is obscured by the storm". Please remove all phrases not on that list, and then add other wording that would be appropriate. Thanks. Eubulides (talk) 20:39, 29 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comments
    • Make the lead image bigger, up to 300px per the WP:MOS#Images. Right now it's imperceptible. done
    • "The season officially started on May 15, 1977 ..." then "It began in the Central Pacific Ocean on June 1, 1977...", then "The first storm of the season, Tropical Storm Ava, formed off the southwest coast of Mexico on May 26" very, very confusing. done
    • Consistency with full stops is required, e.g. May 26 has different usages. done
    • "dissipates just 2 miles " remove "just". done
    • Ref 1 needs an en-dash. done
  • The Rambling Man (talk) 14:48, 29 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Closing note: This candidate has been closed as a failed nomination, but there may be a delay in bot processing of the close. Please see WP:FLC/ar, and leave the {{FLC}} template in place on the talk page until the bot goes through.
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