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Timeline of the 1994 Pacific hurricane season (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
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- Nominator(s): Dylan620 (he/him • talk • edits) 00:33, 23 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I'm back again with another hurricane season timeline! This time it's the 1994 Pacific hurricane season, which generated a trio of Category 5 hurricanes; that's a record for the most in one season, which still stands today (albeit having since been tied twice). One of them, John, became the farthest-traveling tropical cyclone ever recorded after it embarked on an 8,000-mile (!) voyage across the Pacific Ocean. I'm a little worried about the lede being too large, but I couldn't think of how to scale it back without excising valuable and relevant information. This was a more difficult endeavor than the 1993 EPAC timeline (FLC for that one is still in progress) because of a few data discrepancies that I have tried to address to the best of my ability. Overall, I believe that this timeline is up to the standard of the 1991 ATL timeline FL (promoted last week) and the aforementioned 1993 timeline, and I look forward to the community's feedback. I will do my best to address concerns in a timely manner. Dylan620 (he/him • talk • edits) 00:33, 23 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Noting that I've had a go at barbering the lede; this is what it looked like before. Dylan620 (he/him • talk • edits) 14:35, 24 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comments by Lee Vilenski
editI'll begin a review of this article very soon! My reviews tend to focus on prose and MOS issues, especially on the lede, but I will also comment on anything that could be improved. I'll post up some comments below over the next couple days, which you should either respond to, or ask me questions on issues you are unsure of. I'll be claiming points towards the wikicup once this review is over.
- Lede
- The 1994 Pacific hurricane season was an event in the annual cycle of tropical cyclogenesis over the Pacific Ocean north of the Equator and east of the International Date Line. - this is quite complex. Is the season "an event", or rather the article chronicles the events that took place during the cycle? Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 18:44, 9 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- You raise an interesting point. This wording was chosen in line with what I have observed to be convention; out of the last six (chronologically speaking) featured hurricane season timelines within the National Hurricane Center's area of responsibility—2016 Atlantic, 2018 Atlantic, 2018 Pacific, 2019 Atlantic, 2020 Atlantic, and 2020 Pacific—only the 2020 Atlantic timeline does not start with the "an event" wording. However, it has always seemed kind of odd to me, considering that each hurricane season can contain a large number of events within it. I have revised it to "The 1994 Pacific hurricane season was comprised of the events that occurred in the annual cycle..." although part of me worries this might be more complex; what do you think? Dylan620 (he/him • talk • edits) 17:36, 11 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Noting that "was comprised of" was changed by another editor to "consisted of", which I do not disagree with. Dylan620 (he/him • talk • edits) 21:38, 19 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- You raise an interesting point. This wording was chosen in line with what I have observed to be convention; out of the last six (chronologically speaking) featured hurricane season timelines within the National Hurricane Center's area of responsibility—2016 Atlantic, 2018 Atlantic, 2018 Pacific, 2019 Atlantic, 2020 Atlantic, and 2020 Pacific—only the 2020 Atlantic timeline does not start with the "an event" wording. However, it has always seemed kind of odd to me, considering that each hurricane season can contain a large number of events within it. I have revised it to "The 1994 Pacific hurricane season was comprised of the events that occurred in the annual cycle..." although part of me worries this might be more complex; what do you think? Dylan620 (he/him • talk • edits) 17:36, 11 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- These dates conventionally delineate the period each year when tropical cyclones tend to form in the basin according to the National Hurricane Center - I think this should probably come before the actual dates. Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 18:44, 9 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Convention has historically been to put that tidbit after the dates, but I think I've managed to work something out. Dylan620 (he/him • talk • edits) 17:36, 11 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- The 1994 season was well above-average - this isn't really a part of a sentence. Presumably should prefix with "activity in" or something. Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 18:44, 9 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- I've tweaked this sentence a bit. Dylan620 in public/on mobile (he/him • talk) 08:23, 11 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- The lede have a lot of citations in it. Do they need to be there? Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 18:44, 9 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- I think so, since those citations are being used to verify information that is present in the lede but not the body. Dylan620 (he/him • talk • edits) 17:36, 11 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- List
- My big worry here is that this isn't super accessible to non-hurricane afficianados. Some examples "Tropical Storm Aletta weakens into a tropical depression", "The aforementioned tropical depression strengthens into Tropical Storm Bud about 540 mi (870 km) south-southwest of the southern tip of the Baja California", "Tropical Depression Four-E develops from a tropical disturbance about 1,035 mi", etc. even some glossary links would help.
- The image captions aren't very helpful. "Tropical Depression Three-C late on October 22, about 2.5 days before it would become Tropical Storm Nona" is particularly bad, I have no idea what that means. Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 12:51, 18 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- In the Pacific basin, the lowest classification of tropical cyclone is a tropical depression, which has sustained winds of fewer than 34 knots (39 mph; 63 km/h). Systems with winds at least that strong and up to 63 knots (73 mph; 117 km/h) are classified as tropical storms; the National Hurricane Center and Central Pacific Hurricane Center, the two Regional Specialized Meteorological Centres of the area covered by this timeline, assign names to tropical cyclones within their areas of responsibility when they reach tropical storm status. I worded the Three-C/Nona caption that way in an attempt to emphasize that the system had not yet become a tropical storm and received its name; I've rephrased it to hopefully make that clearer to readers, and will be double-checking other captions as well. I have also wikilinked the different classifications in the lede, and replaced "tropical disturbance" with "area of unsettled weather", which is terminology probably more familiar to people casually watching weather forecasts. (This post doubles as a reply to the first bullet in this section.) Dylan620 (he/him • talk • edits) 21:38, 19 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- On that, what are these images exactly? Are these radar images, direct images or something else? The image descriptions don't help Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 12:51, 18 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- These are direct images taken by satellite, which is pretty much the only way to obtain a full overhead view of a weather system as large as a tropical cyclone. Tropical cyclone articles tend not to specify in the visible captions that these are satellite images, probably for concision's sake; see Tropical Storm Hernan (2020), the most recently promoted tropical cyclone FA, for an example. Instead, the alt text conveys that these are satellite images, which is what I have done with the satellite images in this timeline. Dylan620 (he/him • talk • edits) 21:38, 19 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- I don't think the captions starting "a satellite image of..." is particularly wordy, especially as it might be difficult to tell otherwise. Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 22:22, 19 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- These are direct images taken by satellite, which is pretty much the only way to obtain a full overhead view of a weather system as large as a tropical cyclone. Tropical cyclone articles tend not to specify in the visible captions that these are satellite images, probably for concision's sake; see Tropical Storm Hernan (2020), the most recently promoted tropical cyclone FA, for an example. Instead, the alt text conveys that these are satellite images, which is what I have done with the satellite images in this timeline. Dylan620 (he/him • talk • edits) 21:38, 19 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Sorry Lee, I just saw these more recent bullets; I'll be able to address them after I get home later this afternoon/evening. Dylan620 in public/on mobile (he/him • talk) 10:15, 19 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Additional comments
Additionally, if you liked this review, or are looking for items to review, I have some at my nominations list. Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 18:27, 9 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Thank you Lee for reviewing this. I've addressed one of your points and replied to it inline; I should be able to respond to the other points after I get home later today. (Sorry, I've had a busier past couple days than I anticipated.) Dylan620 in public/on mobile (he/him • talk) 08:23, 11 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- No problem, I have more, I just do it icrementally. Feel free to fix as I go along. Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 10:35, 11 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Happy to support Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 19:46, 10 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- No problem, I have more, I just do it icrementally. Feel free to fix as I go along. Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 10:35, 11 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
MPGuy2824
- Wikilink basin like in the 1993 list.
- "John traversed the Pacific Ocean". to "Hurricane John".
- Jul 11: "Ka Lae" to "Ka Lae, Hawaii"
- That's all I got. -MPGuy2824 (talk) 10:09, 18 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Many thanks for the review, MPGuy2824. I believe I've addressed your comments; with regards to the third bullet, I have also done the same with all subsequent uses of "Ka Lae". Dylan620 (he/him • talk • edits) 15:41, 18 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Support promotion. -MPGuy2824 (talk) 08:43, 19 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Many thanks for the review, MPGuy2824. I believe I've addressed your comments; with regards to the third bullet, I have also done the same with all subsequent uses of "Ka Lae". Dylan620 (he/him • talk • edits) 15:41, 18 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Image review by Z1720
edit- No concerns with licencing.
- Images have alt text.
- Captions are fine.
- No other concerns.
Support based on image review. Z1720 (talk) 23:14, 26 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Source review – Reference reliability and formatting both look okay throughout the article. Giants2008 (Talk) 21:12, 16 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Promoted. --PresN 02:43, 17 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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