Wikipedia:Featured list candidates/Volpi Cup for Best Actress/archive1

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The list was promoted by PresN via FACBot (talk) 01:54:05 10 October 2019 (UTC) [1].

Volpi Cup for Best Actress

Featured list candidates/Volpi Cup for Best Actress/archive1

Nominator(s): Damian Vo (talk) 15:41, 29 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

A list covers the Volpi Cup for Best Actress, presented by the Venice Film Festival since 1932. I am nominating this for featured list because I believe it meets all of the FL criteria. Any feedback is greatly appreciated. Damian Vo (talk) 15:41, 29 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Comments from Aoba47

For this part (for her title role in The Sin of Madelon Claudet), I think it should be "the title role" instead of "her title role".
For these parts (1947 to 1949), (1983 to 1987), and (introduced in 1993), should the years be linked like in other parts of the lead?

Great work with the list. Once my relatively minor comments are addressed, I will be more than happy to support this. If possible, I would greatly appreciate any insight on my current FAC. Either way, have a great rest of your week. Aoba47 (talk) 01:01, 30 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

All fixed. Thank you so much for your review. Please let me know if there's anything else you require. Damian Vo (talk) 17:33, 30 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for addressing everything. I support this for promotion. Aoba47 (talk) 17:35, 30 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you so much! Damian Vo (talk) 14:58, 5 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Comments from ChrisTheDude

"The 1st ceremony was held in 1932, where....." - the second clause hangs off 1932, which is a date not a place, so "when" rather than "where", I think

Fixed. Damian Vo (talk) 09:32, 1 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

What's the source for all the name changes in paragraph 2?

The changes are mentioned in the table references by year. Damian Vo (talk) 09:32, 1 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

"The awards given from 1947 to 1949 were named the International Award for the Best Actor" - Best Actress, surely? This also applies to note C.

Fixed. Damian Vo (talk) 09:32, 1 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

"There has been two films" - have, not has

Fixed. Damian Vo (talk) 09:32, 1 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Think that's it from me...... -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 15:07, 31 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

@Damian Vo: apologies, I had missed that you replied. I've noticed that you have "Only three of them has won more than once", which should be "Only three of them have won more than once". Also, you mention the two films for which two actresses won the award, but it might also be worth mentioning the one occasion (1988) when the award was shared by two actresses in different films. As it's only ever happened once, this is probably worth highlighting in the lead...... -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 12:14, 5 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

It's great to hear back from you. I fixed all the things you mentioned above. Let me know if you have any further request. Damian Vo (talk) 12:30, 5 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Now happy to support -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 12:59, 5 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you so much! Damian Vo (talk) 14:58, 5 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Comments from zmbro

Gong Li isn't sorted by her last name

Her family name is Gong. Damian Vo (talk) 13:33, 16 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

A Pornographic Affair should be sorted by "Pornographic Affair" per WP:Sorting

Fixed. Damian Vo (talk) 13:33, 16 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Any reason the lead only has 2 refs? (and only the first paragraph at that)

Expanded. Damian Vo (talk) 13:33, 16 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Rest looks good. Great job on this. Perhaps Volpi Cup for Best Actor next? – zmbro _(talk) 20:26, 11 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

@Zmbro: Sorry for the reply. I'd love to promote the list for best actor someday. I made some changes per your comments. Let me know if you have any further suggestion. Damian Vo (talk) 13:33, 16 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

@Zmbro: Hi, it's been over a month since your last comments :( I'm still waiting for your final verdict. Damian Vo (talk) 03:52, 4 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Support – Oh wow I am so sorry I completely forgot that I commented here. My bad. :-( – zmbro _(talk) 19:03, 4 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

That's alright. Thank you :) Damian Vo (talk) 00:19, 5 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Resolved comments from A Thousand Doors (talk | contribs) 19:10, 25 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

~~Oppose~~ Clearly a lot of work has gone into this list, but I'm afraid that I don't think it's at FL-level just yet. These are my edits; please feel free to revert if you disagree with them.

My biggest problem is the sourcing. Out of 65 references, all but one of them come from the exact same source: Vienna Biennale. This is a problem because it means that almost the entire article is based solely on what the organisation that presents the award has said about it, which in turn raises concerns about bias and neutrality. References to more third-party sources are needed. A Google Books search returns plenty of results – could any of them be included in this article?
Like zmbro says, two citations is fewer than I would expect to see in the lead of a featured list. Beefing up the number of citations to third-party sources might also beef up the lead, which, in my opinion, is lacking some information that I would otherwise expect to see. For example, exactly how many times has the award been presented? Is there any reason that it wasn't presented from 1969 to 1982? You might also want to include, say, what the actresses who receive the award think of it. Are there any quotes from any of them on what winning meant to them? At the moment, the lead doesn't really expand on what a reader can already discern from the table itself – is there anything else that you could say?

Expanded. Damian Vo (talk) 13:33, 16 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Per WP:ALT#Importance of context, most of the alt text for the images probably needs to be rewritten. Alt text such as "A caucasian woman looking to the left" doesn't provide the necessary context for our visually-impaired readers. Something like, for example, "Black-and-white publicity photograph of Katharine Hepburn in 1941" might be more helpful.

Fixed. Damian Vo (talk) 13:33, 16 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Might be worth wikilinking "slate" to Slate (elections).

Added. Damian Vo (talk) 13:33, 16 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I'd have thought that "first ceremony" would be more appropriate than "1st ceremony", given MOS:ORDINAL – I might bring this up at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Awards, so leave it for now.
The final sentence of the lead needs an "As of 2019".

Added. Damian Vo (talk) 13:33, 16 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Per MOS:NAVLIST, articles that are already linked in navboxes (such as Volpi Cup for Best Actor) don't need to be repeated in the See also section.

Removed. Damian Vo (talk) 13:33, 16 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I think this article still has some way to go before it's at FL level. I'm happy to help in any way that I can. Thanks, A Thousand Doors (talk | contribs) 22:04, 11 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

@A Thousand Doors: Sorry for the reply. I made some changes per your comments. Let me know if you have any further suggestion. Damian Vo (talk) 13:33, 16 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Looks much better now. I do have a couple of final comments:

Do we know how the May 1968 events in France caused the award to be suspended for so long? If the events themselves only lasted a couple of months, why was the award not given for an entire decade?

None of the sources I found give the exact explanation. I gave the sentence a little tweak. Damian Vo (talk) 04:57, 26 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Personally, I don't think you really need the actress table in the Multiple wins section – the lead already conveys the same information in a single sentence. If there were an actress that had won, say, three times, then the table might serve more a purpose, but to me it seems a bit redundant. But I'll leave it to you to decide.

Removed. Damian Vo (talk) 04:57, 26 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

"35 Years Of Sugar Cane Alley To Be Marked At BFI Film Fest" -> "35 Years of Sugar Cane Alley to Be Marked at BFI Film Fest"

Fixed. Damian Vo (talk) 04:57, 26 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

A Thousand Doors (talk | contribs) 19:10, 25 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

@A Thousand Doors: Hi, it's been over a month since your last comments :( I'm still waiting for your final verdict. Damian Vo (talk) 03:52, 4 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Source review passed. Since the last reviewer doesn't seem to be coming back, and the remaining issues appear to be fixed for me, promoting. --Pres N 01:54, 10 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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