Wikipedia:Featured list removal candidates/List of Baja California Peninsula hurricanes/archive1
- The following is an archived discussion of a featured list removal nomination. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the article's talk page or in Wikipedia talk:Featured list candidates. No further edits should be made to this page.
The list was removed by Dabomb87 18:01, 11 October 2010 [1].
List of Baja California Peninsula hurricanes (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
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- Notified: Miss Madeline, WP:TROP
I am nominating this for featured list removal because this is has not update since it was made. I do no think it meets criteria 3a anymore. I tried updating the article, but it is just too much work. In addition, shouldn't there be a modern repeats section? There is no sources to Baja Insider (the tracking agency for the region). Also, there should be mention of averages of hurricane pear year (Baja Insider once mentioned that) and maybe even why early season hurricane don't make landfall there (mentioned by Baja Insider as well). YE Tropical Cyclone 20:34, 27 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- ok, even if Baja Insider is not considered reliable enough there is still plenty of info missing and it still fails criteria 3a. YE Tropical Cyclone 20:53, 27 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- Just for peoples information, a few off us WPTC members including YE had a conversation on IRC and from first impressions of the site it didn't seem reliable. However people are welcome to judge this for themselves. I have also obtained a list of TC's from YE that are missing from this list. These are
Oliva 1967, Newton 86, Paine 86, Roslyn 1986, Flossie 1995,Madeline 98, Lane 2000, Elida 02, Hernan 2002, Isselle 02, Howard 04, Eugene 05, Illena 06, Dailla 07, Ivo 07 , Julio 08, Lowell 08, Olaf 09, Patricia 09, Rick 09, Norbert 08, Jimena 09 Gorgette 10. I will be double checking over the next couple of days why these aren't in the list my suspicion is that some of these barley affected Baja or didnt affect Baja at all.Jason Rees (talk) 00:55, 28 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- All of these posted some effect on the Baja. These all impacted Baja form waves to $764 million in damage to TS watches. YE Tropical Cyclone 01:27, 28 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- Even i still need to double check, since i need to know whats happened.Jason Rees (talk) 01:58, 28 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- Howard 2004 passed well offshore and had no impact on Baja according to the NHC.Jason Rees (talk) 03:07, 28 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- Relating to Howard check this. Madeline, Flossie, and Iselle all required TS watches. The NHC is not the best source for impact, impact is not there specialty, forecasting hurricnae is. YE Tropical Cyclone 4:54 am, Today (UTC+1)
- ive checked that site and it doesn't mention anything about Howard causing any impact so it doesn't go in. Also i trust the NHC more with regards to impact than that source you provided which looks unreliable to me, especially when you consider that it passed well to the south of Baja.Jason Rees (talk) 14:28, 28 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- Relating to Howard check this. Madeline, Flossie, and Iselle all required TS watches. The NHC is not the best source for impact, impact is not there specialty, forecasting hurricnae is. YE Tropical Cyclone 4:54 am, Today (UTC+1)
- Howard 2004 passed well offshore and had no impact on Baja according to the NHC.Jason Rees (talk) 03:07, 28 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- Even i still need to double check, since i need to know whats happened.Jason Rees (talk) 01:58, 28 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I've added a bunch of the missing storms. Miss Madeline | Talk to Madeline 19:05, 29 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Still quite a few storms are missing. The NHC is not the best source of impact, as I found a few major factaul error errors. Julio killed two people not one and Norbert and Jimena have damage totals. A few storms that caused waves or TS watches are still missing. What about a modern repeats section? also, not enough detail is included in the worse of storms (Liza, Norbert, Jimena). However, you are doing a great job thus far. YE Tropical Cyclone 19:23, 29 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
A modern repeats is unnecessary. A storm hits the BCP about once a year, hardly a rare event. Also, it is not necessary to indent that much. Miss Madeline | Talk to Madeline 19:33, 29 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- True. Also, should there be a Little more said for the notable storms. YE Tropical Cyclone 19:40, 29 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- What is so special about Norbert and Jimena that they deserve damage totals? Miss Madeline | Talk to Madeline 04:43, 1 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- There are damage totals available, why not put them? YE Tropical Cyclone 02:52, 3 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- Lots of other ones don't have damage totals. What about those ones? Miss Madeline | Talk to Madeline 17:32, 3 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- I dont personally see the need for the damage totals, especially as lots are missing or even haven't been assessed.Jason Rees (talk) 17:40, 3 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- Put it this way if there are damages totals put them in there (Jimena and Norbert were just examples as they have damage totals). They are in other hurricnae FL's and for some reason not in this one. In addition, we list deaths, damage totals are equally or almost important. Also, of the systems that are missing a number of them have not been taken care of (Howard did affect Bja) YE Tropical Cyclone 01:28, 5 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- I dont personally see the need for the damage totals, especially as lots are missing or even haven't been assessed.Jason Rees (talk) 17:40, 3 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- Lots of other ones don't have damage totals. What about those ones? Miss Madeline | Talk to Madeline 17:32, 3 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- There are damage totals available, why not put them? YE Tropical Cyclone 02:52, 3 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- What is so special about Norbert and Jimena that they deserve damage totals? Miss Madeline | Talk to Madeline 04:43, 1 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
(Outdent) No, people are more important; you can always build another house, but you can't just get another (say) brother. Miss Madeline | Talk to Madeline 17:38, 5 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- True, but we put them in hurricnae info boxes, don't see why not we can put them in the article? YE Tropical Cyclone 19:38, 5 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
We can't exclude information just because you don't want it to be there. If it's excluded, that can be considered censorship and obviously makes the article incomplete. Whenever available, the damage totals should be added to article. There may be a handful without monetary values listed, but that's how things are sometimes. The article doesn't have have "perfect" parallels for each summary, they just have to be as complete as can be with the available sources. Cyclonebiskit (talk) 00:33, 6 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- As for the actual quality of the article...it definitely needs improvement in places. A lot of the more recent storms are written in several sentences than can easily be merged into one and allow room for more information. I'll see what I can do tomorrow to improve the article quality, the information to be added (in addition to damage totals) is up for discussion. Cyclonebiskit (talk) 00:41, 6 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
One issue I'm concerned with is how do you know if you got every storm? I realize there is a similar issue in other such lists, but for now I'll ask on here. It says Henriette was the only one in 2007, but the Dalila and Ivo articles both indicate impact on the peninsula. Hurricanehink (talk) 13:37, 8 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- To clarify, delist. Hurricanehink (talk) 13:37, 8 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- I agree this should be delisted. I added Ivo and Dailla to the list of missing storms. More importantly they are factual errors in the article. For expamle, Julio killed 2 people not one. How can a storm kill 0-57. It hit Sinola where it killed all of its people. When they are death toll ranges form different sources always go with the higher one so the death toll of Liza is 950, not 600. Juliete and Liza also need damage totals and likely a few other storms. YE Tropical Cyclone 03:42, 9 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- Actually, I disagree about always going with the higher one. One should always go with the most recent and most accurate source. --Hurricanehink (talk) 16:55, 10 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- BTW, Spanish sources tend to be more accurate than the NHC. YE Tropical Cyclone 14:24, 11 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- ...not really. It depends from what agency the info is from. If it's some generic Spanish blog, than NHC is usually more accurate. Hurricanehink (talk) 19:03, 11 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- BTW, Spanish sources tend to be more accurate than the NHC. YE Tropical Cyclone 14:24, 11 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- Actually, I disagree about always going with the higher one. One should always go with the most recent and most accurate source. --Hurricanehink (talk) 16:55, 10 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- I agree this should be delisted. I added Ivo and Dailla to the list of missing storms. More importantly they are factual errors in the article. For expamle, Julio killed 2 people not one. How can a storm kill 0-57. It hit Sinola where it killed all of its people. When they are death toll ranges form different sources always go with the higher one so the death toll of Liza is 950, not 600. Juliete and Liza also need damage totals and likely a few other storms. YE Tropical Cyclone 03:42, 9 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- Delist - currently this list fails 2 and 3a. Several editors above has expressed concern about the comprehensiveness of this list. Also the lead can be improved with more engaging language. "The list of Baja California hurricanes includes ..." reads a little better than "This is a list of ..." but still sounds boring. The sources are mostly okay but those from http://www.weather.unisys.com looks dubious. They also need consistent formatting. Some lack publisher info.—Chris!c/t 01:34, 1 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
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