Wikipedia:Featured list removal candidates/List of New Jersey Devils players/archive1
- The following is an archived discussion of a featured list removal nomination. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the article's talk page or in Wikipedia talk:Featured list candidates. No further edits should be made to this page.
The list was kept by The Rambling Man 16:44, 11 July 2009 [1].
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I am nominating this for featured list removal because like the Columbus Blue Jackets list, it has a very small lead, and a very small amount of references (which are listed in a bad format). The lead needs expansion and sources, the tables need to be smaller, or the images need to be removed (at least for the goalies). Few other problems that should be easy fixes. – (iMatthew • talk) at 17:49, 24 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- As mentioned on the other two you nominated, I believe the references are fine as they cover everything that might be questioned on the article. Remember its not the quantity that matters but the quality. The lead does need some expansion, and I fixed the table. It was missing some line breaks. -Djsasso (talk) 18:33, 24 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- The lead mentions the stats are after 2006-07, which is wrong I assume? Same for the statement about players playing in the 07-08 season. Alaney2k (talk) 21:26, 25 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I have overhauled the page, including stat updates, roster updates, and a lead expansion. Hopefully this will be sufficient to bring it back to the quality that it was when it was originally made FL status. Any questions, comments, please don't hesitate to reach out to me about any of my edits. Anthony Hit me up... 16:12, 2 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Comments from Dabomb87 (talk · contribs) Looks much better. A couple things:
We don't start lists off with "This is a list of..." anymore. See List of Detroit Red Wings players of a good example of an FL lead.
- Done.
You need to use symbols to accompany the colors (again see Red Wings list).
Will work on it later.Done.
You need to make a key for abbreviations and phrases such as SC, HHOF, Conn Smythe, etc.
in progressDone.
"1994-95 NHL season" Should be an en dash: "1994–95 NHL season"
- Done
"282 different players have played on the team" "different" is unnecessary.
- Done
"Only five players (Martin Brodeur, Sergei Brylin, Ken Daneyko, Scott Niedermayer, and Scott Stevens) have been a part of all three Cup wins, and eleven more have won two." Remove "only".
- I left the only in there because 5 out of 282 is a small percentage, and provides emphasis.
- It is, and readers can see that for themselves. See Wikipedia:Writing better articles, which says "[a]void subjective qualifiers". Let the stats and facts speak for themselves. Dabomb87 (talk) 16:28, 7 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Done.
- It is, and readers can see that for themselves. See Wikipedia:Writing better articles, which says "[a]void subjective qualifiers". Let the stats and facts speak for themselves. Dabomb87 (talk) 16:28, 7 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
"On the other end of the spectrum, 9 players have played just one regular season game on the team" "9"-->nine
- Done
"Martin Brodeur holds virtually every team " "nearly" is more encyclopedic, I think.
- Done
"The Devils have had eight captains, with Jamie Langenbrunner holding the captaincy since December 5, 2007."-->The Devils have had eight captains; Jamie Langenbrunner has held the captaincy since December 5, 2007.
- Done
In the last paragraph, the third and fourth sentences are redundant to the legend below.Dabomb87 (talk) 22:23, 3 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Done
- I will get around to the other two parts of the changes later today or tomorrow, or someone else could tackle that portion of it. If there's anything else to be required, let me know. Anthony Hit me up... 16:19, 7 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Fixed all relevant issues as per discussion. Anthony Hit me up... 03:45, 9 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Still need a key to explain "Calder", "Selke", "Captain", etc.Dabomb87 (talk) 13:53, 9 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]- Isn't that what wiki-linking them is for? I was under the impression that if something was wiki-linked it didn't need to have a key? -Djsasso (talk) 14:25, 9 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- We shouldn't make readers click away from the article more than necessary. If you take a look at recently promoted FLs, they have keys. Dabomb87 (talk) 14:30, 9 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- I removed all the trophies & awards since the Devils was the only hockey FL to have them (although I think they all should, but that's a wikiproject issue). As for the key, I added Ret. since it was an abbreviation. Captain is self-explanatory, it's referenced in the lead, and if they STILL don't know, it's wikilinked. It's our job to explain things to readers, not hold their hand through every little thing. I think, however, as the list stands now, it's sufficient to pass all the requirements, and we should close this FLRC. Anthony Hit me up... 17:04, 9 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Agree. Great job. Dabomb87 (talk) 17:11, 9 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- I removed all the trophies & awards since the Devils was the only hockey FL to have them (although I think they all should, but that's a wikiproject issue). As for the key, I added Ret. since it was an abbreviation. Captain is self-explanatory, it's referenced in the lead, and if they STILL don't know, it's wikilinked. It's our job to explain things to readers, not hold their hand through every little thing. I think, however, as the list stands now, it's sufficient to pass all the requirements, and we should close this FLRC. Anthony Hit me up... 17:04, 9 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- We shouldn't make readers click away from the article more than necessary. If you take a look at recently promoted FLs, they have keys. Dabomb87 (talk) 14:30, 9 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Isn't that what wiki-linking them is for? I was under the impression that if something was wiki-linked it didn't need to have a key? -Djsasso (talk) 14:25, 9 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Comment Provisional keep – The lead is longer than the other two NHL player lists at FLRC right now. If Dabomb's suggestions are implemented, I would say this should retain FL status. Giants2008 (17-14) 22:20, 5 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Was about to switch to keep, but I noticed that an NHL.com link is dead. Nice work to bring the list's quality up, but this minor issue should be addressed before this FLRC ends. Giants2008 (17-14) 00:13, 10 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- I don't suppose this would be a good replacement, would it? Dabomb87 (talk) 00:39, 10 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- That would do nicely. Giants2008 (17-14) 21:27, 10 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- I don't suppose this would be a good replacement, would it? Dabomb87 (talk) 00:39, 10 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Once that link is fixed, consider the nomination withdrawn. The list is much better. iMatthew talk at 00:29, 10 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- One more thing before the FLRC is closed: the images need alternative text. Dabomb87 (talk) 02:50, 10 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Keep as per relevant changes. Anthony Hit me up... 13:09, 11 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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