Wikipedia:Featured picture candidates/Death of the Zeppelin Hindenburg

Death of the Zeppelin Hindenburg

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Original - Footage of the Germany Zeppelin Hindenburg, covering the arrival of the zeppelin and its subsequent fall from grace.

Reason: This is footage from one of the four known cameras present at the time that the German Zeppelin Hindenburg exploded and crashed. It shows the famous fire and the collapse of zeppelin as ground crews scramble to put out the flames and rescue the survivors. The footage, as well as the commentary, have become culture icons - in particular, the phrase "Oh the Humanity" is associated with this disaster. For these reasons I feel the footage should be featured here on wikipedia, and as such submit this nomination for community consideration.
Articles in which this image appears: Hindenburg disaster
FP category for this image: History
Creator: Universal Newsreel

Support as nominator --TomStar81 (Talk) 22:05, 3 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Mild support Forgive my ignorance in voting on multi-media content, but is a higher resolution of this candidate available? Gut Monk (talk) 01:00, 4 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose The Hindenburg disaster has to be one of the most ubiquitous disaster sequences ever filmed. By the age of 10, the bulk of our readership has seen this ten times. It therefore, IMO, is insufficiently eye-catching. Greg L (talk) 02:13, 4 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose This is contemporary coverage but not the famous narration that the nom is referring to. Is the famous version in public domain? The event is recent enough that it might not be. Leaving the picture quality aside, the music and the narration style is very dated. One the whole it does not leave me with that FP feeling.--RDBury (talk) 04:56, 4 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- According to the articles on the event, the the famous narrative and the film footage are independent of one another, not a single unit. Morrison, the man whose broadcast is most associated as the voice behind the event, was a radio announcer, not a newsreel person. The footage of the crash and burn was filmed from four different cameras, Morrison's account was later added to the film to make them appear as one and the same. As a result, the two properly speaking do not belong together; however I concede a point that the film reel you are referring to is more universally known. TomStar81 (Talk) 08:55, 4 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Support I'm not sure which other version was mentioned, I'm sure I've seen this one. I'm willing to support this and if a better version comes along support a D&R. It's supposed to be dated, that helps us know that's it's PD (though, not to start another licensing fight this is dated 1937, so..) and it makes it classic and historical. It's also not just enough that it be a person's view of eye-catching, EV is also important and this has got it. --I'ḏ♥One 13:08, 5 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- Well, yes, this almost certainly won't be cc-by-sa-3.0 (and that's not what the source says anyway...). Someone really needs to fix that... J Milburn (talk) 10:29, 6 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  - I'm the uploader, I think the license is right. Not sure though, please see Universal Newsreel, and http://www.archive.org/details/1937-05-10_Special_Release_Zeppelin_Explodes. (The other Universal Newsreels were tagged with this license, but they might be wrong as well). P. S. Burton (talk) 18:31, 6 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
    - This might be a case of the copyright not being renewed, as in {{PD-US-not-renewed}}, which was also used, for instance here (also from Archive.org). --I'ḏ♥One 10:30, 7 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
      - Our page on Universal Newsreel says, not sure if its correct though.
        In 1976, the films' owner, MCA, made the unusual decision to turn over ownership of all of the newsreels to the National Archives. The decision effectively ended Universal's copyright claim, releasing the films into the public domain. Because royalties no longer have to be paid in order to broadcast them, Universal Newsreels have become a popular source of file footage in recent years. The History Channel made them a key part of the TV series Year-By-Year. Also, C-SPAN and CNN regularly use the films for video of events that took place before those networks were founded.
        P. S. Burton (talk) 10:14, 12 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose due to the odd, unexplained copyright status. J Milburn (talk) 23:35, 10 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- Struck vote per explanation above. J Milburn (talk) 10:28, 12 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Not promoted --Makeemlighter (talk) 05:34, 13 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]