Wikipedia:Featured picture candidates/His Girl Friday (2)

His Girl Friday

Voting period is over. Please don't add any new votes. Voting period ends on 17 Aug 2024 at 12:04:24 (UTC)

Original – His Girl Friday is a 1940 American screwball comedy film directed by Howard Hawks.

Alt 1 – SDR version, to avoid ~~phab:T129621~~ phab:T362831.

Reason: A Featured Media on Commons
Articles in which this image appears: His Girl Friday
FP category for this image: Wikipedia:Featured pictures/Culture, entertainment, and lifestyle/Film
Creator: Howard Hawks

Support as nominator – Carlosmarkos2345 (talk) 12:04, 7 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support Alt 1 --Carlosmarkos2345 | Talk 12:33, 17 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment I was the uploader on this one. It's worth noting that this video is impacted by phabricator:T362831 (MediaWiki not transcoding HDR properly), so you'll notice the UHD source has HDR but the HD transcodes that MediaWiki produces are in SDR without a proper tonemapping. For cases like this, I'm not sure if it would be better to add a notice to the file page advising readers of the difference or do a UHD upload in SDR. It's a good transfer with encyclopedic value, so if that question can be settled, I'd support. hinnk (talk) 21:13, 7 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I have an alt I'd like to add, but unfortunately I've been trying to upload it since Saturday and gotten nothing but upload errors (seems to be because of phab:T129621). I'd like to ask for the nomination to be suspended until I can get the alt uploaded, so we avoid having to go through a delist-and-replace nomination after this closes. If anyone here's an admin on Commons and can speedy delete c:File:His Girl Friday (1940, SDR).webm, that might help things along. hinnk (talk) 02:50, 15 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Just got a fix uploaded to File:His Girl Friday (1940, SDR).webm. It's identical to the original nomination except for the color space, so the playback should have more sensible contrast levels. Support that as alt 1. hinnk (talk) 02:57, 17 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support — Moonreach (talk) 17:56, 8 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support – Yann (talk) 19:49, 8 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support – Vinícius O. (talk) 04:15, 9 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support – Hamid Hassani (talk) 02:32, 12 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Carlosmarkos2345, Moonreach, Yann, Vinícius94, and Hamid Hassani: An alternative was added to the nomination. Could you indicate which version(s) you support? Regards, Armbrust ^{The Homunculus} 07:29, 17 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I don't really understand the benefit of the new version, specially the advantage of SDR for old films and black and white videos. To me, it seems to have more contrast. Is it really the case, or a side-effect? Which version is more faithful to the original film? Yann (talk) 14:43, 17 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I second this uncertainty. While I can see that the alt has slightly higher contrast, the difference between the two is so slight that I don't feel qualified to say what standards should be used to decide which is superior. Moonreach (talk) 18:06, 17 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I agree with Yann that it'd be better to show it in HDR than to not. That said, what's happening is most people will never see an HDR video on Wikipedia because they'll use the default playback, which is always in SDR.

The "Source" playback on the original file can be used as a reference. That's in HDR, and if you have a display that properly handles HDR, there'll be a big difference between that and the default "HD 1080p" SDR playback (on that or on a color video, for example). With the transcodes on the original, there's no tonemapping at all, so it looks least like the film. With alt 1, the source file had the tonemapping applied when I converted it from HDR, so the transcodes will look more like the film. hinnk (talk) 18:33, 17 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I'll support the alt too, if that's what it takes to get this over the finish line. Moonreach (talk) 15:09, 20 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The vote count is 5 supports for the Original and 3 supports for the Alt 1. There is consensus to promote the Original. In the article, I reverted back to the Original video. Pinging @Armbrust and Hinnk:. Bammesk (talk) 13:05, 1 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Voting stopped <24 hours after alt 1 was uploaded, and neither Vinícius O. nor Hamid Hassani have edited since alt 1 was uploaded. I would suggest (1) opening the discussion to opinions from people who haven't participated, (2) closing as consensus to promote the original and starting a procedural nomination to replace, or (3) leaving the nomination open until Vinícius O. and Hamid Hassani have a chance to weigh in. Otherwise we're stuck presenting (and featuring!) an encoding error for procedural reasons around when the file was uploaded, which I think should be avoided. hinnk (talk) 18:43, 1 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

If the current consensus doesn't change and the Original is promoted, then you or anyone can start a "Delist and Replace" nomination to get consensus for Alt 1. Bammesk (talk) 21:00, 1 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah, I was hoping to avoid having to make everyone go through a separate nomination but it looks like that might end up being the best route. hinnk (talk) 21:51, 1 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah. If we close this one then we can give it another go-around with just the alt and I think it'll pass. I don't know how long these things are normally left open, but we're coming up on a month since this nomination was made. Moonreach (talk) 15:18, 5 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Promoted File:His Girl Friday (1940).webm --Armbrust ^{The Homunculus} 15:58, 8 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]